The point is IF is a big word! If not in 2yrs maybe 5 or 10. If the Twins wasn't so cheap they would contending now. Happy new year!
Overpay for average pitching? If only we could be so lucky.
Wonder if they think paying Blackburn 5.5million to pitch in AAA is overpaying
The good news from this article is that Correia apparently has a little bulldog in him.
The Twins rhetoric and their actions don't jibe. I have no problem NOT over-paying for mediocrity, IF you pay for QUALITY. However, the Twins claim no one of quality wants to take their money (Greinke). Unfortunately for Spiritofvodka Dave, Corriea is going to be the yardstick by which any further free agent pitching acquisitions are compared. There's just no way you can have a discussion of comparison unless Corriea is used. Signing one more starting pitcher is necessary, but if the Twins are waiting for "sanity to return to the marketplace" hell just might freeze over first.
There are guys who rate quite a bit above "mediocre", yet the Twins aren't signing them and instead, pursue guys like Correia and Saunders, who only qualify as mediocre on their best days.
So far, the Twins have "overpaid" for awful pitchers. We could only wish they were overpaying for mediocrity.
Basically you said that even if we were the top bidders for every quality pitcher, every single pitcher would pass since money is never a factor. I mentioned that, on occasion, maybe money is the issue...and you said that was a ridiculous notion.
BTW, in all that research, how many of the big spenders have been in last place two seasons in a row? I asked that question after you turned it that way and never got a response. And since you say 'last two years'. What about LAST offseason? What was the excuse then?
In any event, I have no desire to continue arguing with you...my response to him was accurate...there are people who believe this offseason isn't about payroll cutting. You are just one example.
Please don't take this the wrong way, 70charger, but every time you reply to one of these inane posts (because I read all your posts) you thwart my attempt to block them by using the site's 'ignore' function.
Any team that has a winning bid for a free agent has overpaid. Some organizations are desirable enough that simply matching is good enough. In the Twins case, they probably have to beat other offers.
They are not a small market team. They can afford to overpay a few players. They need to do so wisely.
The Twins seemed to set he direction this season of getting younger. It is not the offseason to overpay for decline phase players.
Adding a Worley fits the plan. Going after guys like Pelfrey makes sense. Jurrjens and Lannan would be similar fits. Adding a Sanchez or Jackson would have fit a long term plan.
I don't get the Correia signing. How does he fit the plan? It seems like he will only take away opportunity from Hendriks or Gibson. The only way I can see the fit is if he is the guy that bounces from long man to emergency/injury starter keeping Duensing in the pen. The Twins might need Swarzak in this role also. I am not sure if it is worth 5 million a year, but that role is worth something and it is better than shuttling guys back and forth as injuries occur. Maybe he is a guy who can take the ball early in the game and throw 5 innings of relief. If so, does that help the Twins stay at a 12 man staff. The extra bench player can have significant value.
Do you think the Twins are following a plan or is cutting payroll the driving motivation behind the moves this offseason?
I'm not sure "cutting payroll" is really the motivation for what's happening, but obviously Ryan is pursuing a "get younger" strategy which has the side effect of cutting payroll. He's rolling the dice more than a little bit, though, because if this does turn in to another very poor team, the resulting further eroding of attendance and general fan interest could mean revenues that will not support payrolls bouncing back upwards in future years when he needs it.
I would much prefer to let a guy like DeVries get abused for a fraction of the cost and go sign a pitcher less likely to get abused in the first place.
And I would have preferred that they pay for two better pitchers and be less likely to need to abuse anyone because they'd get fewer bad outings in the first place, but that obviously was either not the plan or, if it ever was, that plan got trashed when they couldn't get better pitchers to sign. Now the plan is just to hope the team is good enough to avoid an all-out erosion of the fan base. Next year, they get the extra $25 million in national MLB tv money. It would have been encouraging to see the Twins be willing to spend a little of that money in advance of getting it, but it also would have been totally out of character.
I actually think maybe Ryan and Gardenhire both have already come to a mutual understanding that this will be Gardenhire's final season, regardless of W-L record. If so, there would be no reason for desperate attempts by Gardy to save his job.