Thread: Pirates signed Liriano

Originally Posted by Fire Dan Gladden

Of course he will. He will be added to the list of players the Twins didn't want who moved on and excelled:
Ortiz
Dickey
Hardy
Marquis
Garrett Jones (for a while)

C'mon, if the Twins could've signed Ortiz for $700,000 or so, hey would've. But he was arbitration to high for them with how he had played. Remember, most other teams passed on him, too. Dickey is a fluke. The Twins signed him twice. If they had talked with Hardy and struck a deal, he would still be here....but the Twins thought he'd be too expensive, too. And they had blinders over the Japanese superstar. Marquis was cut loose too soon. But basically he was a wash. He allowed us yo experience Cole DeVries and Perdumo. Garrett Jones had no palce, blocked by Morneau and all the Twins outfielders of the most recent era. The Pirates gave him a chance and he shined, but don't see him drawing demand and $$$ elsewhere.

I'm totally surprised Liriano signed for $7 and two years. Too much to pay if you have to switch him to relief. Thought he would be lucky to get the $4 million with incentives for a year. I guess Pittsurgh is better than Miami or Houston, but the $-tight Pirates overpaid for him...and considering they though Correia was overpriced for them.

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

I must have missed the part where Liriano led the White Sox to a championship last October under Cooper's mentorship. If Liriano does succeed with the Pirates, it will have everything to do with Francisco pulling his head out of his ass and nothing to do with the Pirates front office or coaching staff. And for $14m, I'd prefer to see someone other than the Twins roll those dice. I like the chance the Twins are taking on Haren and Pelfrey better than dishing that kind of money to Liriano. (but the Correia signing was still awful)

I wish they would have taken the chance on Haren.

Originally Posted by AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

.000000001 %. SO im guessing you believe the Twins should have resigned Liriano?

Actually no, I think they overpaid to get him. To inconsistent for me. As electric as his stuff can be, he still comes out as a 4-5.

My guess of 40% is strictly due to the "Murphy's Law" effect the Twins seem to be incurring over the last few years. In reality, I'd say it would be closer to 15-20%. He has shown to be capable of ripping off 10-12 decent starts in a row. Being in the NL should help him tremendously.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

What difference does the money make? As of now, that money is going into the Pohlad's pocket. I'd rather see it spent on someone who might help the Twins, even if it's a ".00000001" percent chance.

I would rather see it spent on anyone other than Liriano! Even Correia......

Originally Posted by jokin

I wish they would have taken the chance on Haren.

dont we all....

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

I actually like Correia in that scenario to be honest. With Liriano you have to basically catch lightning in a bottle.

Unfortunately with Correia the only thing you're going to catch in a bottle is your own vomit after he leads you to a full fledged bender.

I'm still blaming the Cubs for kicking over the first two dominos in the fifth-starter over-spending spree.

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

I'm still blaming the Cubs for kicking over the first two dominos in the fifth-starter over-spending spree.

Not going to argue with you there.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

What difference does the money make? As of now, that money is going into the Pohlad's pocket. I'd rather see it spent on someone who might help the Twins, even if it's a ".00000001" percent chance.

You're right, the money doesn't matter. It's the second year I don't like (just as I didn't like the second year for Correia).

Originally Posted by jokin

I wish they would have taken the chance on Haren.

That's probably who JR thinks he just signed.

Originally Posted by snepp

Unfortunately with Correia the only thing you're going to catch in a bottle is your own vomit after he leads you to a full fledged bender.

Very graphic but probably true.

That's nothing compared to when you wake up, next to Sidney Ponson, and wonder where it all went so wrong.

I like the signing for the Pirates, 2 years, 2 chances to catch the Liriano lightening in a bottle. Maybe 2 years is risky, but I think moving to the NL can only help Frankie. I think he'll be worth at least 1.0 WAR in the next 2 seasons, which is about a wash for the moeny the Pirates are investing.

With the way the insane money was going for SP, I'm not surprised. I'd rather have Liriano over Correia even at more money Liriano was able to get. Liriano being left handed and the small promise of anything better than what we know Correia will give us makes bringing him back a better choice. However, what's done is done.

I wish Liriano the best. We'll find out if he has any promise left ... he has a better chance to succeed in the NL.

Originally Posted by jokin

I wish they would have taken the chance on Haren.

Originally Posted by AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

dont we all....

---Haren wanted to go to a contender. He was pursued by multiple teams, but chose the Nats because he felt they had the best chance of winning a World Series. If that was his criteria, I don't see how Ryan was going to get him to come here.

Nationals make Dan Haren signing official

The fact that a guy coming off a season in which he was dropped from 2 different starting rotations, one of which was the worst in baseball, is getting a deal like this tells you a lot about the free agent market for starting pitchers.

The Twins could have gotten him for org filler and picked up his option if they wanted him.

Brewers signed RHP Jim Hoey to a minor league contract.

The 29-year-old right-hander compiled a 5.47 ERA, 1.91 WHIP and 14/13 K/BB ratio over 24 2/3 innings in his last big league exposure with the Twins in 2011. He'll compete for a middle relief role in the Brewers bullpen.

Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

The fact that a guy coming off a season in which he was dropped from 2 different starting rotations, one of which was the worst in baseball, is getting a deal like this tells you a lot about the free agent market for starting pitchers.

Liriano has high upside. If he can pitch to his potential, he could win the NL Cy Young. There is a very high risk that he will do poorly, but the upside potential is also very high.

Burnett really improved is command in Pittsburgh. I would have liked Liriano to stay with the Twins but not as long as Rick Anderson and Gardy are at the helm it just seemed like two exact opposites. Maybe it was all Liriano and he is just this awful head case but I got the impression Andy and Gardy added a little more to the equation then was ever reported.

I don't think its a bad contract though, if Correia is getting 2-10 then Liriano is worth 2-14 any day of the week. If he has a sub 5 era and pitch 175 innings with decent KO numbers its about equal to value. If he fixes his control and has a sub 4 era and gets towards 200 IP's with above average KO numbers its one of the best deals this off-season.

At worst though I think he could become a decent setup man/closer and with the contracts being handed out its still not a terrible contract.