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Greinke would have put Twins close to 100M thats all and got the pitcher most needed. I'm sure is if the Twins got hamstrung in a few years they could trade Grienke for Profar or some real prospects like the Rays did with Shields. You need something valuable to work with.
Let's say Greinke turns into a lemon three years into the contract. You now have a declining Mauer and a worthless Greinke eating $50m. What do you do in that situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
(answer: lose a lot of games)
What make you think he's going to turn into a lemon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock BeauchampLet's say Greinke turns into a lemon three years into the contract. You now have a declining Mauer and a worthless Greinke eating $50m. What do you do intl that situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
(answer: lose a lot of games)
Every pitcher has a large chance of turning into a lemon.
When it comes to a pitcher, if you can't absorb 100% of the contract with zero production in return, don't sign the contract. It's too dangerous. Pitchers are far too volatile. Doing crap like that is a good way to guarantee an underperforming team for a half decade or better.
Even a sucker will buy a lemon for a prospect, and what if he won 20 games and wins CY? Mauer will always hit, h o f so people will always come to see him play.
Tell that to the Giants, who couldn't give Barry Zito away. If a player is bad enough, you can't give him away, much less get a prospect in return. Best case scenario is that you get lucky and find someone insane enough to take a bad player on waivers, like the Sox did with Rios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
6 years for a 30 year old is not that long, a ace. Doubtful Twins will contend without one in 6 years. Better to take a risk than sit on your hands and hope for Liriano.
A six year contract is a very long time for ANY pitcher. A better course of action is to spend less per player and pick up two pitchers for a shorter term. That way you're not worried about paying $25m to a 35 year old Greinke, who isn't that freakin good in the first place. Again, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guy (and let's remember that the Dodgers won Greinke at $25m per, that means the Twins would have to offer $26-27m per year to get him).Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
CC & Doc were risks that turned out good. Zito contract was bad, but he has been improving alot eats innnings and gave the rest of there staff to shine.
Halladay was pretty bad last year, only pitched 150 innings, and it was only the third year of his deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
CC Sabathia is inhuman. He's one of those extremely rare arms that could pitch 300 innings a season for two decades.
Also note that those two guys went to the #1 and #2 payrolls in baseball when they signed.
This, just this.......again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock BeauchampAgain, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
It takes money to make money and that is why they win.
I agree. If the Twins were an ace away from a serious playoff run... it's a risk i'd love to see the Twins take once... but you don't sign the giant free agent pitcher before you build a contender... otherwise you waste what will almost always be the most productive years (years 1 and 2) building a team around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock BeauchampA six year contract is a very long time for ANY pitcher. A better course of action is to spend less per player and pick up two pitchers for a shorter term. That way you're not worried about paying $25m to a 35 year old Greinke, who isn't that freakin good in the first place. Again, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guy (and let's remember that the Dodgers won Greinke at $25m per, that means the Twins would have to offer $26-27m per year to get him).Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
Have no fear everyone! MLBTR reporting we are close to a two year deal with Kevin Crappiea!
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Twins are close to a two-year deal with Kevin Correia.
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Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Twins have agreed to a two-year, $10 million deal with Kevin Correia.
The 32-year-old right-hander posted an underwhelming 4.21 ERA and 1.30 WHIP in 171 innings this past summer for the Pirates but should get a nice boost in fantasy value with the move to the more pitcher-friendly confines of Target Field. Correia also drew serious free agent interest this offseason from the Rockies, Orioles, Brewers, Royals and at least one team from Japan.
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Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitte
Well that likely settles it. 75-80 million it is. Kevin Correia is a bad pitcher. He is Nick Blackburn pre-2012, but could clearly turn into Blackburn 2012 in 2013. The K rate fell of a cliff. He's a 5th starter and likely will bring the same value Deduno, DeVries, or Hendriks would for 10 times the cost.
Give or take.....current 25 man payroll is 75million.
Again, Im not a payroll guy....but how its spent..... 10.5m (14%) bein spent on Kevin Correia/Nick Blackburn for one terrible 5th starter.
One starter to go???
At this point, we won't go over $80 million on pitching. I'd like to see an upgrade at 2B as well. One spot for Florimon, Dozier and Escobar to fight over is enough. Let's get a veteran for the other. (I prefer Carroll as the utility guy.)