Thread: Chance Twins open season with 75/80m payroll??

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

And I agree with you. I just don't think Greinke would have been a good idea. The Twins should be targeting mid-tier guys, not bidding against the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs of the world.

So it's important for us to know our place? What excuse did ownership use to trick, er, convince the taxpayers that the new park was needed?

Originally Posted by edavis0308

All I know is that my stance is that if they insist they are going to compete next year..and they don't spend the money on a decent pitcher, I'm not spending a dime to go see them play until I actually see they are competitive. If they'd spend the money to make it look.like an effort for 2013 is in place, I'd probably buy some tickets in advance. If their roster solutions consist of the lower tier variety, I'm not forking over a dime in advance.

All this talk of people saying how the Pohlads spend their millions of dollars and how it's not our money.. well that is how I will move forward regarding my money and the team.

Same here and a Twin Fan since 1961!!!!!!

Once the Twins went to Target Field...I was priced out of "opening night"...after 8 years of being there with my son (the next generation of their fans)....my money, as is the Twins..... is mine.... they dont spend theirs...... I dont spend mine, ON them.......

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

Originally Posted by zenser

I am not saying the Greinke deal was a good one. I don't think Sanchez at 15 million a season is a great deal either for a guy with a mid 3 era that pitched half his games in a pitchers park in the NL, but given how free agency is going it will take all of 15 million a season for Sanchez. I am just tired of having the retread free agents be the only one's that we can afford. I don't have the link but ESPN had a story a few days ago where the average salary was something like 3 to 5 million. I don't remember the exact figure. If we aren't willing to spend over what the average salary is, we definitely aren't going to improve via free agency.

And I agree with you. I just don't think Greinke would have been a good idea. The Twins should be targeting mid-tier guys, not bidding against the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs of the world.

If you bid against the big boys then you have something they want to and you can compete and trade with them too.

After the disaster of 2011 the twins earned 26 million,they cut payroll 18 million and in 2012 earn over 32 million(im seeing a pattern here)
I guess we need to see the big picture,if Ryan reduces payroll to around 78 million this year ,then maybe ownership will earn 40 million for the year.Also we would qualify to recieve profit sharing, and a lottery pick.So thats a double win for the team , just not in the won/loss colume

I know that this team needs pitching, but I just don't see the point of paying 5-8 million for a back of the rotation guy, when we can just let Hendricks, Deduno, Walters, Devries, etc do the same thing. Signing Liriano or trading for Capuano does absolutely nothing for me. I'd rather spend that money taking a chance on someone like Stephen Drew. Why waist 15 million on the next 2 Jason Marquis. I applaud TR for waiting this thing out.

Most of us agree...but think instead they should sign one of these expensive guys who should be good for 3 to 5 years.

I was just hoping that we would be competitive in the free agent market like we were told when Target Field was built and not in the market for Jason Marquis or Kevin Corriea.

Originally Posted by ThePuck

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

And I agree with you. I just don't think Greinke would have been a good idea. The Twins should be targeting mid-tier guys, not bidding against the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs of the world.

So it's important for us to know our place? What excuse did ownership use to trick, er, convince the taxpayers that the new park was needed?

The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees. That's not trickery, that's plain ol' reality. Target Field certainly helps but it's not going to turn the Twins into a financial powerhouse. Minnesota is still a mid-sized population with mid-sized revenue streams through television and radio.

Originally Posted by Top Gun

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

Originally Posted by zenser

I am not saying the Greinke deal was a good one. I don't think Sanchez at 15 million a season is a great deal either for a guy with a mid 3 era that pitched half his games in a pitchers park in the NL, but given how free agency is going it will take all of 15 million a season for Sanchez. I am just tired of having the retread free agents be the only one's that we can afford. I don't have the link but ESPN had a story a few days ago where the average salary was something like 3 to 5 million. I don't remember the exact figure. If we aren't willing to spend over what the average salary is, we definitely aren't going to improve via free agency.

And I agree with you. I just don't think Greinke would have been a good idea. The Twins should be targeting mid-tier guys, not bidding against the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs of the world.

If you bid against the big boys then you have something they want to and you can compete and trade with them too.

That... Doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees.

Well if they were ​given $100m a year, they could only put $50m of that toward payroll, right?

Originally Posted by mike wants wins

Most of us agree...but think instead they should sign one of these expensive guys who should be good for 3 to 5 years.

with 30 million to spend we could get both Sanchez and Jackson,and still have money for a cheap outfielder

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Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

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The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees. That's not trickery, that's plain ol' reality. Target Field certainly helps but it's not going to turn the Twins into a financial powerhouse. Minnesota is still a mid-sized population with mid-sized revenue streams through television and radio.

Cable and dish usage in the Twin Cities is one of the lowest in the nation. Their TV revenue almost makes them aa small market team

Grienke was always signing with the Dodgers--they were just hammering out the last details. That $280MM/year revenue stream pretty much ensures they get anybody they want--for awhile.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees.

Well if they were ​given $100m a year, they could only put $50m of that toward payroll, right?

I really hate payroll arguments. The only point I care to make is that the Twins are not one of the premiere revenue franchises. That's just how it is. Complaining that they're not competing with New York, Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, etc. is just whining. The Dodgers just handed Greinke an absurd contract. They can do that because they can afford to eat $25m a year in a $200m payroll. The Twins simply can't take that risk.

Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said Monday that the club could explore a contract extension with left-hander Clayton Kershaw in the coming weeks.

Colletti was asked the question at the press conference for left-hander Hyun-Jin Ryu. Kershaw is owed $11 million next season and remains under team control through 2014, so there's not a huge sense of urgency to get a deal done right away, but Zack Greinke's six-year, $147 million contract would likely function as the benchmark for any talks. He could top $200 million when it's all said and done.

Source: Dylan Hernandez on Twitter

The Twins simply can't take a risk, but the taxpayers can.

Why is Greinke, Sanchez or Jackson a risk?

If the Twins can't afford to keep payroll near 100M there is only going to be bad times for the Twins.

Originally Posted by Top Gun

Why is Greinke, Sanchez or Jackson a risk?

Greinke signed for $25m for six years. How is that not a risk? The Twins can't afford to have two non-productive players eating up $50m of roster space from 2015-2018, which is where they may be if they signed Greinke.

However, there's no excuse not to sign a guy like Jackson for 3-4 years and $45-60m. The deal is short enough to not completely hamstring the team if something goes wrong.