Minnesotans want Ron Gardenhire to keep his job

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Originally Posted by Thegrin

Of course I would oppose the firing of Ron Gardenhire. If you watch the games, how often do you question his decisions ? Rarely, I'd bet. (Now that Grey is gone.) Vavre and Anderson are excellent coaches. What makes you think that a new voice would improve anything. Change for change sake is rarely a good idea.

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How about pinch running with two outs and a runner on first in the 7th and 8th inning so then when the game goes to extra innings we have Alexi Casilla hitting instead of Josh Willingham or Justin Morneau?

Or perhaps bringing in Matt Guerrier in to face Alex Rodriguez with the bases loaded? ( A-Rod is something like 8-11 for 6 homers against him). No manager is perfect obviously but I would not really say Gardy is a strategic genius. He has had some puzzlers from time to time. These are just the few off the top of my head that kinda irk me

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Originally Posted by Ex-Iowegian

Be careful what you wish for. Your solution might be even worse.

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If a change is needed, you make it. Not making a needed change guarantees failure. There is no sense in worrying the change might be worse than the current situation, since by it's very nature the current situation has by definition been determined to be a failure. Otherwise, you wouldn't need to make a change.

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Originally Posted by Parker Hageman

According to a recent poll conducted by Public Policy Polling (h/t Fox9's Seth Kaplan), only 9% of Minnesotans would like to see manager Ron Gardenhire fired. In spite of his 122-182 record over the past two season a vast majority of those interviewed (57%) believed he should keep his job while another 34% had no opinion on the matter.

Had you been polled, how would you have responded?

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No chance in hey to been polled, because of the (false) assumption that only people who live in MN are Twins' fans (and my position on how I feel about Gardy and his buddies is not a secret)...

But what really gets me and I think it is ridiculous is that the same fan/media base who drove Childress out of Minnesota wants to keep Gardy despite the fact (yes it is a fact, look it up ;) ) that Childress' teams as a whole were more successful that Gardy's teams...

just sayin'

politics (and some lutefisk lefse tacos and tire commercials)

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Originally Posted by thrylos98

But what really gets me and I think it is ridiculous is that the same fan/media base who drove Childress out of Minnesota wants to keep Gardy despite the fact (yes it is a fact, look it up ;) ) that Childress' teams as a whole were more successful that Gardy's teams...

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---I looked it up. 5 seasons. 39-35 overall record. 2 playoff appearances. 1-2 playoff record.

Sorry, not seeing the basis for the claim that it is a fact that these teams were "as a whole were more successful that Gardy's teams...".

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Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

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Originally Posted by thrylos98

But what really gets me and I think it is ridiculous is that the same fan/media base who drove Childress out of Minnesota wants to keep Gardy despite the fact (yes it is a fact, look it up ;) ) that Childress' teams as a whole were more successful that Gardy's teams...

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---I looked it up. 5 seasons. 39-35 overall record. 2 playoff appearances. 1-2 playoff record.

Sorry, not seeing the basis for the claim that it is a fact that these teams were "as a whole were more successful that Gardy's teams...".

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Were you expecting anything else when you consider the source?

No manager can magically transform his players in to something better than what they can be. Gardy can't make 5 AAA pitchers into a major league staff

Gardy should stick around a few more years and do what TK did; leave when it looks like things are on the right track again.

This team will be decent next year, at least to the point where they won't be out of things in July. .500-ish with a look at that last WC is approachable.

North Dakotans want him to keep his job as well.

How do you judge a manager? The Twins win when the players play well and they win less often when the players play poorly. The manager doesn't pull some magical strings to make the players better. Gardy does some things that drive me nuts. But I'd bet 29 other fan bases say the same about their manager. I don't know if Gardy should stay or go. Mostly because I don't think the manager has a whole lot of impact on the team.

If the answer is the manager is only as good as the players then what good is a manager anyway? Isn't it his responsibility to make them better and put them in positions to succeed? Can anyone really say after the last 2 years that is the case? Division titles in the weak central make some happy but no playoff wins since 2004 says much more, imo.

Agree, if the manager is only good when the players are good, why pay one this much money? Why even have one?

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Originally Posted by Cody Christie

North Dakotans want him to keep his job as well.

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lol... Not all North Dakotans... I think a change may be decent thing to try. BUT... BUT... BUT... I want Gardy to be respected!!!

Gardy has earned it. If you want to use the playoff record against him. I would say that in fairness you also have to consider the fact that he HAS A PLAYOFF RECORD. Some Managers don't have that. He has won Division Titles and quite a few of them and it's a shame that some want to diminish that fact with arguments of weak division. The Twins have never produced a Yankee lineup ever and they got the job done. Once you hit the playoffs anything can happen.

Gardy has done a great job. He makes moves that I disagree with at times and some people disagree with me and others disagree with those people. It's unfair to judge him based on your view of the world and I try not to judge him based on mine. You can't please everybody but you also can't deny those titles.

The Twins have outperformed the White Sox, Tigers, Indians and Royals when you look at division titles during his tenure.

I'm a North Dakotan who thinks it is time for a change and a North Dakotan who will shake his hand and say thanks for everything.

Although... If he returns next year... OK... Let's go get em... I'll sleep fine.

time for jimmy p to stop drinking the kool-aid and clean house ...terry ryan, mike radke , david st pete, ron gardenhire and his @ss clown posse to find a new place to work or retire.....

i never heard of this polling company, its probally made up because jimmy p doesnt want to pay 2 managers.....skinflint ownership....

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Originally Posted by SpantheMan

No manager can magically transform his players in to something better than what they can be. Gardy can't make 5 AAA pitchers into a major league staff

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gardy cant make a turd after 5 trips through the buffet line at golden corral.....gardy is not a big leaque manager, he was a good coach, just not a good manager....time to vote him off the island

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Originally Posted by Cody Christie

North Dakotans want him to keep his job as well.

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not.......90% of north dakotians who follow the twins want gardy fired

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Originally Posted by UCLA_YANKEE_COLA

How do you judge a manager? The Twins win when the players play well and they win less often when the players play poorly. The manager doesn't pull some magical strings to make the players better. Gardy does some things that drive me nuts. But I'd bet 29 other fan bases say the same about their manager. I don't know if Gardy should stay or go. Mostly because I don't think the manager has a whole lot of impact on the team.

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it is apperent you do not know.....you judge a manager on results....there are more questions now then in march.young players come up and struggle , they do not learn anything up here ,because gardy and staff can not teach....hence gardy is not a manager

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Originally Posted by Winston Smith

If the answer is the manager is only as good as the players then what good is a manager anyway? Isn't it his responsibility to make them better and put them in positions to succeed? Can anyone really say after the last 2 years that is the case? Division titles in the weak central make some happy but no playoff wins since 2004 says much more, imo.

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amen

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Originally Posted by SpantheMan

No manager can magically transform his players in to something better than what they can be. Gardy can't make 5 AAA pitchers into a major league staff

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Could anyone have made this pitching staff respectable this year??

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Originally Posted by Wolfy

Gardy should stick around a few more years and do what TK did; leave when it looks like things are on the right track again.

This team will be decent next year, at least to the point where they won't be out of things in July. .500-ish with a look at that last WC is approachable.

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TK managed about 8 years of truly miserable teams. He was a well respected manager as is Gardenhire. I don't think you make a change just because of bad years. Not unless you start to see players not hustling or players acting out.

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