Thread: The Gardenhire Apocolypse

I believe that what the Pohlads will do is simply bring up the entire Rochester managerial staff but will that work? One poster at least thinks Glynn is terrific so it might. I would rather see them get an entire management crew from some other MLB organization that really knows what they are doing. One example for sure is Tampa Bay. What other organization?

Tom Kelly

As good as LaRussa has been,I don't think he would be a good fit here. Like Torre, he is a better manager of high end players, his strength does not lie in managing youth and rebuilding. I think the Twins would want to go young and new with the hopes of landing a Mike Scossia type coach. Red Dog would be an interesting flyer, especially if he brought in in experienced coaches to help him out.

Francona

Gene Glynn


add coaches Bobby Cuellar, Tom Brunansky, maybe Jake Mauer. Talk to Coomer and Gladden. Bring in Mike Redmond or Matthew LeCroy. I might keep Jerry White.

But then the Twins need to find a whole passel of coaches for the minors.

I seem them standing pat for a year...maybe jettisoning Gardy and Anderson late-2013 if things don't change and giving the Rochester guys a look.

Or buyout Ozzie's contract from Florida!

Bo Porter:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...eague-manager/

Anyone learning from Joe Madden.

Agreed on Gene Glynn and staff, especially if the rave reviews of Cuellar and Brunansky coaching abilities are true and can lead to success at the major league level. As far as restocking the minor league coaching staffs, players are still retiring every year, many of whom are wanting to begin a coaching career.

I tend to think that managers likely don't make much difference to the overall performance of a team, their presence in the clubhouse and with the guys involved is crucial (see Valentine, Bobby). Gardy has been great with a gang of guys who came up with him on staff and nurtured them into his way of doing things. I think he can still do it but as clubhouse culture changes (see Valencia, Danny), they may need another similar hand. Like Gene Glynne rather than someone from outside the organization)

OR: Since Earl Weaver's only 82 we could ask him to pop in and pull a Jack McKeon (we'd even get to see him pull some classic tantrums)!

I tend to place more faith in on the field leadership amongst your ball players than faith in a manager changing a culture.

Granted it is just my personal belief but I believe winning momentum comes from the big hit, the extra base taken and the great defensive play.

I believe losing montentum comes from coasting into the base, letting balls drop in front of you, botched run downs and double plays, errors along with big innings against you and a general lack of believing in your team because the baseball you are playing is uninspired.

A player busting his ass, leads to more players busting their asses and it will carry on through the team and result in wins. Even on a team that appears to be weaker on paper.

A manager may be able to get a fire lit under a player or two but the entire team is very hard to do. A Manager who has been with a club a long time... in my opinion... will have a much harder time lighting those fires when dealing with vets who have been through it and heard it all.

It's pointless to blame the manager... It's the players and always will be.

If we have to make a change in Managers... And I think we should just for a new start at momentum (that will still have to come from the players).

I would like a Manager who is very aggressive. I can't give you any names but I'd like someone like Scioscia or Madden.

If you want to jump start a team, you have a better chance if you provide some voltage, instead of trying to win games through attrition or something. Give me a manager who let the boys run on the bases and understands the need for D. Someone who will attack teams aggressively and get pissed at players when the go through the motions.

With that said... Gardy has been great and he is great... It's time for a change... And Gardy deserves thanks and a nice gold parachute.

If Gardenhire keeps his job it will not bother me and if Gardenhire gets fired it will not bother me - but I think a change would be exciting for the fan base and it would be interesting to see what some new blood could bring to the table. I liked what the Cards and Sux did by bringing in a former player who was well respected with a very good baseball IQ. For me Red-Dog fits that bill.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

As of right now, I'd say Dave Martinez...

1.) comes from the Joe Maddon school in Tampa, but he's coached and been very well respected since his playing days.

2.) He had a long and solid, productive career despite rarely being a full-time player. Like Gardy, he understands how difficult this game is and that players make mistakes and errors and such.

3.) I want a first-time manager because I don't like retreads.

Just noticed that quote & had to chuckle because of all the disagreements we've had over AAA retreads (which I hate).

Originally Posted by oldguy10

I believe that what the Pohlads will do is simply bring up the entire Rochester managerial staff but will that work?

They will need to add to that. Minor league staff is 3 people: Manager, Pitching Coach, Hitting Coach. In Rochester the manager serves as the 3rd base coach as well. Bruno and Cuellar sit on the bench and usually a player on the DL serves as the first base coach. So, in addition to those 3, you would need 4 more positions at least:

- 1B coach
- 3B coach
- Bench coach
- Bullpen coach

Earl Weaver

I like the idea of someone from the Tampa Bay organization.

Originally Posted by Willihammer

Earl Weaver

Maybe they can hire a medium and channel Billy Martin from beyond the grave.

Trivial fact: Dave Boswell, who fought Billy in the alley behind a Detroit bar in 1969 (leading to Martin's termination), pitched for Earl Weaver in 1971

When the White Sux announced Robin Ventura as their manager, it was somewhat out of Right Field and a surprise. What if Gardy is fired and the Twins pull a shocker of their own, and name Kent Hrbek Manager... what would happen?

Joe Mauer will say "It's The Big Hrbowski."

Matthew LeCroy

Tom Prince