Thread: Article: Trade Flatline

He's plucked quite a bit of talent through obscure trades. Buchanan, who he later flipped for Bartlett, Ortiz, etc. The AJ trade made him famous, but it wasn't as if he got lucky. He's done it before.

Originally Posted by snepp

Burton, as a "non-closer" with limited back-to-back days usage, likely wouldn't have significant value. I'd rather keep him around on the cheap for next year than deal him away for a pittance.

My caution is this - just because we didn't do something doesn't mean we made the right decision. I prefer to think that we got crappy offers, but what the Reds gave up for Broxton (a guy with plenty of red flags himself) indicates that there was at least some willingness to shell out. Burton's best value was likely to be at the deadline, that doesn't mean we got an offer we should have taken (none of us know that), but just because we held him doesn't necessarily mean we got bad offers.

We may find out that we passed on some deals we'll later regret. Or we may find out we were right to just hang on to these guys. Our track record the last 5 years of sell low and buy high makes me very skeptical of that reaction.

Originally Posted by RIP BYTO

I agree. If you take away the AJ trade from TR's resume what do you have left? He's a bum for a GM.

I haven't defended Ryan much lately but he needs some defense here. There was already another thread showing how the Knoblauch trade is still paying dividends. Bobby Kielty for Shannon Stewert was a great trade, Dave Hollins for David Ortiz was a shrewd move as was Roberto Kelly for Joe Mays. He traded Rick Aguilera to the Red Sox and got two prospects back knowing full well that Aguilera was going to re-sign with the Twins in the offseason.

You'd get little arguement that recent moves have been poor, but that's mostly due to inactivity. He has seemed to be gunshy which may have led to the indecisiveness and no/poor returns with the Hunter and Santana exits, but he certainly does have more than just one positive trade under his belt.

I have no idea on the answer, just trying to get a sense of what Ryan has done before, but other than the big trade, how many trades has he made where he got a guy that contributed for 3-5 years? I recall the Stewart trade with fondness, for example, but that was mostly short term. Also, how often has he traded a big time prospect for big time MLB player? I think that one is zero. I would expect his trends to continue....just trying to understand what they are.

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

I haven't defended Ryan much lately but he needs some defense here. There was already another thread showing how the Knoblauch trade is still paying dividends. Bobby Kielty for Shannon Stewert was a great trade, Dave Hollins for David Ortiz was a shrewd move as was Roberto Kelly for Joe Mays. He traded Rick Aguilera to the Red Sox and got two prospects back knowing full well that Aguilera was going to re-sign with the Twins in the offseason.

You'd get little arguement that recent moves have been poor, but that's mostly due to inactivity. He has seemed to be gunshy which may have led to the indecisiveness and no/poor returns with the Hunter and Santana exits, but he certainly does have more than just one positive trade under his belt.

I'll give you the Kielty trade, but I can't give him any credit for Ortiz. He basically told Ortiz to take a hike and we all know what happened after that. Joe Mays? LOL nope!. Don't even know who he got for Aggy. His poor moves far out way his good moves in my opinion.

My gosh, people need to step away from the edge, it's going to take a couple of years