Thread: Miller: Reds talking Denard Span with Twins

He probably declined to comment on trade scenarios but no one could understand him with Mitch Williams jabbering in the background.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

Just saying what was mentioned and shown on MLB Network.

Watching the Rochester Columbus game. The Columbus announcers just mentioned that the Twins-REds were in serious discussions. A bit later mentioned that Span had turned down trade. May be same source.

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Asking price too high?

Keep Span or lower price?

Span to Reds is officially not happening, according to Jon Heyman

Originally Posted by jorgenswest

Asking price too high?

Keep Span or lower price?

Keep Span. The Reds may reconsider if their leadoff hitters stink on national TV in a first round loss in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

Keep Span. The Reds may reconsider if their leadoff hitters stink on national TV in a first round loss in the playoffs.

Yeah, this. I really don't want to give up a guy like Span for a pu-pu platter. If we don't get a Gio/Latos/Pence like deal for him, don't trade him.

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

Keep Span. The Reds may reconsider if their leadoff hitters stink on national TV in a first round loss in the playoffs.

Cause the leadoff hitter is often the cause of a team losing a playoff series.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

According to MLBNetwork (TV)

Huh? Span declined it? He doesn't have a no-trade clause, as far as we know.

Originally Posted by chavez

I saw the same thing. Looks like some crack reporting by MLB Network

MLB Network reporters are on crack? Well... that explains SO much.

Originally Posted by Jim Crikket

MLB Network reporters are on crack? Well... that explains SO much.

There are no lazier of reporters then god damn baseball writers/reporters.

They can mindlessly say or tweet whatever they want.

Originally Posted by gunnarthor

Yeah, this. I really don't want to give up a guy like Span for a pu-pu platter. If we don't get a Gio/Latos/Pence like deal for him, don't trade him.

I'm all for getting a good return, but this sets the bar too high. Span is not considered above average at his position, by most. Should not expect to get the same haul for him.

Originally Posted by DPJ

Cause the leadoff hitter is often the cause of a team losing a playoff series.

Is that what I said? I don't remember doing so if I did. Can you find that quote?

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

Is that what I said? I don't remember doing so if I did. Can you find that quote?

Then what was the point of the post? Like if they lose in the first round and Cozart or whoever fail to get onbase they'll suddenly feel more pressed to make a trade. Cause that's what's gonna put them over the top?

Originally Posted by ashburyjohn

I'm all for getting a good return, but this sets the bar too high. Span is not considered above average at his position, by most. Should not expect to get the same haul for him.

Not really. He's on pace for about a 4.5-5.0 WAR season, coupled with a very team friendly contract. Gio/Latos were trades betting on future (one looks like it'll work out, the other maybe not) and Pence, like Span, was a bit more of a known quantity. Span is likely to be worth a ton over his remaining contract. You shouldn't trade him for a #3 starter and bullpen arm.

Originally Posted by John Bonnes

Huh? Span declined it? He doesn't have a no-trade clause, as far as we know.

Later corrected. The Reds have declined. Not Span. I hope the networks error doesn't stick to Span or the Twins.

Originally Posted by DPJ

There are no lazier of reporters then god damn baseball writers/reporters.

They can mindlessly say or tweet whatever they want.

Not to hijack this thread (though there seem to be a few other Span/Reds threads, so maybe it would be OK), but being a real baseball writer/reporter is a tough gig these days. Either you aren't out there getting news regarding your assigned beat first (perhaps due to those pesky journalistic ethics that require multiple sources before reporting news) and thus you're "lazy" or you DO report (via social media) things you hear from only one source and you therefore get it wrong occasionally and you've "mindlessly tweeted whatever you want".

Kinda makes me glad I dropped out of journalism school.

Originally Posted by ashburyjohn

I'm all for getting a good return, but this sets the bar too high. Span is not considered above average at his position, by most. Should not expect to get the same haul for him.

Though definitely not Mike Trout in CF, Span is ranked #4 in UZR among all CFs for the seasons 2010-2012 (#3 in adjusted UZR/150) and is basically in the top 7 CFs this year in WAR.

Michael Bourn	- - -	CF	3449.2					39	39	807	741	.918	235			10.0	15	4.7		20.2	1.2	26.2	10.0
Chris Young	ARI	CF	3219.1			-1	1	44	44	777	724	.932	229			9.0	8	0.7		24.0	0.0	24.7	9.5
Austin Jackson	DET	CF	3223.0				2	41	43	715	674	.943	285			5.0	15	-1.4		18.6	0.7	18.0	7.5
Denard Span	MIN	CF	2729.1			-5		21	16	699	659	.943	202			-3.0	-6	-5.5		23.2	-0.3	17.5	8.1

Twins have no pressure to trade Span. It's a good sign that the Reds declined, rather see that than the Twins getting bullied around. Maybe he still gets traded today, but he's valuable to us as a player for his remaining contract and he'll be valuable in the off-season and next season for trades too.

Originally Posted by DPJ

Then what was the point of the post? Like if they lose in the first round and Cozart or whoever fail to get onbase they'll suddenly feel more pressed to make a trade. Cause that's what's gonna put them over the top?

If they lose in the first round they ARE going to look for ways to put them over the top by upgrading weaknesses, just like every club. As it turns out they have a weakness at CF and leadoff, which is why they had interest in Span in the first place.