Thread: Law: "The White Sox got a steal in Liriano"

Originally Posted by twinswon1991

I wish Terry Ryan in my fantasy league. It is always nice having the clueless manager you can fleece at any time. I'm sure that is how other MLB execs view TR.

amen

Either Liriano helps Chicago to the Playoffs, or he implodes and blows the Sox chances bigtime. A pretty big either/or.

He could pitch for the Twins and keep us from looking at others who may/may not do just as good for a team on the downside of the division. Hell, if Liriano went 10-1 for the Twins the rest of the way, the only person he is helping is Liriano.

He is not going to resign with the Twins, period. Why? The Twins have sent him to the minors and played with his service time. They sent him to the bullpen. They didn't sign him longterm (like Baker or Blackburn). Anywhere would be better than Minnesota for Liriano in 2013 unless the Twins would pay stupid money, which they never offered.

We got someone to take the place of Alexi or Toshi or Carroll in 2012. We got a pitcher that might have some end-of-the-rotation upside for 3-4 years and perform as adequately as Liriano ahs the past 3-4 years. (Or he might need Tommy John, too).

We see tonight if he helps the Sox or just fills a hole in their rotation.

But if the Twins thought he was worth 3 years and $24 million, or $30 million or $36 million -- that time ahs come and gone.

Of course, if he implodes, the Twins could pay him $8-10 a year if no one else lines up. But I wouldn't bet the house on that.

If you are a bottom team, you get rid of pending free agents in July and August. You try to package 6-year minor league guys to other teams for 3-4 year prospects. You get rid of potentally high-priced arbitration players for possible prospects. That is what you do.

Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

---Actually, it's more the case that the only people still complaining about this deal are the ones who think Ryan can do no right.

The rest of us were at worst mildly disappointed but not terribly surprised that we didn't get more and have moved on from talking about the trade, because it really isn't that big a deal.

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Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan

Ryan had quite the reputation for being a shrewed trader.

Actually I don't think he got shrewed THAT bad...

Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

... because it really isn't that big a deal.

No pun intended, I trust.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

You think the Indians are crying years later about the Pavano trade? Do we really think we "fleeced" them good when we gave up Pino for Pavano?

Not fleeced, but Pavano's 17-10 in 2010 is far better than anything Pino has done. Unfortunately another team did not overbid for his services for 2011.

When the people on this board start saying that Liriano would be worth 12 million a year, then they can complain about the Liriano trade. If you were not going to sign him, you have to get what you can. Look at the other traded pitchers. Rodriguez, Maholm and Dempster reach eturned more for their teams than Liriano did. There is more of an upside to Liriano than those players. Is that upsiide going to show up for the playoffs? The other pitchers on as bad or worse teams were at least .500 or better pitchers. Liriano could not even do that. That is why there was little market for Liriano.

Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

---Actually, it's more the case that the only people still complaining about this deal are the ones who think Ryan can do no right.

The rest of us were at worst mildly disappointed but not terribly surprised that we didn't get more and have moved on from talking about the trade, because it really isn't that big a deal.

Boom. Done. (Say it in Piven's voice, it makes more sense.)

But seriously, I'm okay with the Sux picking him up. Liriano is never good late in the season. He will be lucky if he's worth a single game over replacement the rest of the way...

How long we gonna beat this horse????? It's over get over it! Of course you would have liked to get a better haul but Cisco's inconsistency prevented the Twins from getting more. He simply wasn't worth that much.

Originally Posted by Dilligaf69

How long we gonna beat this horse????? It's over get over it! Of course you would have liked to get a better haul but Cisco's inconsistency prevented the Twins from getting more. He simply wasn't worth that much.

Because otherwise people would have to discuss the Vikings. Do they really want to go there?

Originally Posted by Dilligaf69

How long we gonna beat this horse?????

I just wish Terry Ryan had tried a little harder to get more in return.

A wake-up call to Francisco. He better pitch darn good down the stretch. It seems no one really wanted him or would offer much for him. He may be the free-agent bargain of the of-season.

Just so you don't have to look it up. Frankie's line today against the Angels.

No decision, but the white sox came away with the win.
5 innings, 4 hits, 1 BB, 4 K's and an Earned run. 72 pitches total.

Originally Posted by minn55441

Just so you don't have to look it up. Frankie's line today against the Angels.

No decision, but the white sox came away with the win.
5 innings, 4 hits, 1 BB, 4 K's and an Earned run. 72 pitches total.

Left game with a thigh bruise.

Originally Posted by ashburyjohn

I just wish Terry Ryan had tried a little harder to get more in return.

What else would you have had him do?

The only other option could have involved him waiting for one more start before moving him, but I think it is doubtful it would have made a difference. This was his value.

For me, its the Escobar part of the deal.
A marginal defensive minded SS when we already have a AAA version of that in Pedro Florimon.
If they woulda recieved 2 pitchers back, I woulda been better. I just didnt want a Nick Punto type back

Possibly Ryan may plan to use some of these players as trade bait over the winter to get more pitchers.

For all of you who think the return for Liriano was weak, would you have been satisfied with what the Cubs got for Dempster? (Class A 22 year old pitcher w good numbers and a 21 year old Class A OF, I think).

Dempster was 5-5 w/ a 2.25 ERA when dealt.

Originally Posted by glunn

Possibly Ryan may plan to use some of these players as trade bait over the winter to get more pitchers.

At least the precedence has been set. We should be able to get Liriano for those two.

Originally Posted by Hammond2ndHome

For all of you who think the return for Liriano was weak, would you have been satisfied with what the Cubs got for Dempster? (Class A 22 year old pitcher w good numbers and a 21 year old Class A OF, I think).

Dempster was 5-5 w/ a 2.25 ERA when dealt.

Cubs did get better prospects, but it wasn't a huge haul (it was a 3B instead of an OF).

Goldstein ranked the 43 prospects that were traded, ranked the Cubs guys for Dempster as #8 and #15. Pedro Hernandez was #23. Escobar was no longer a prospect, but probably would have been mid-teens.

Dempster had more value than Liriano so these returns seem about right.

Originally Posted by drjim

What else would you have had him do?

Sorry, thought my joke was obvious - I was beating the dead horse. No, I'm sure Ryan didn't leave some better deal on the table.