Thread: Article: Twins Trade Francisco Liriano To White Sox

Who still wants to trade Perkins and Burton??

Originally Posted by 70charger

What the hell did you people expect?

Keep him and take the single comp pick which has a better chance of being a meaningful player than either of these schlubs?

Originally Posted by nicksaviking

Yes but an inept GM trades a guy for next to nothing when he could have gotten an additional high draft pick next year when his player declines the qualifying offer. There's maybe 20% chance max that Liriano would have accepted seeing as he's likely the top lefty and one of the youngest on the market next year and it wouldn't have been the end of the world if he had accepted.

I was ready for a complete overhaul but I don't trust Ryan to do right by the club anymore. Please hold onto Span/Willingham/Perkins and anyone else under contract until someone with a better vision takes control.

Those guys are going to need longer contracts if you want to hold onto them until that happens.

With this trade, the Capps resigning (no draft pick), & not dafting the highest guys available (LBard).....can we surmize Terry Ryan isnt a great fan of sandwich picks

As an extra added bonus, Duensing is starting tomorrow.

How is this going to feel later in the season if Liriano no hits the Twins?

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

Keep him and take the single comp pick which has a better chance of being a meaningful player than either of these schlubs?

This argument on the surface seems logical. But, is there really a better chance the draft pick made by a Terry Ryan led front office is better than two prospects traded for by same said front office? ;-)

Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan

This argument on the surface seems logical. But, is there really a better chance the draft pick made by a Terry Ryan led front office is better than two prospects traded for by same said front office? ;-)

I'll roll the dice with an unknown over two proven mediocre assets.

Originally Posted by glunn

As an extra added bonus, Duensing is starting tomorrow.

How is this going to feel later in the season if Liriano no hits the Twins?

Our indignation will certainly feel justified.

I guess a lot of this discussion revolves around how you think Frankie will pitch over the second half of the season. Regardless of your criteria, wins, ERA, WAR, innings pitched etc... do really think he will pitch well enough to improve his value next offseason? I don't think he will pitch well enough to warrant a multi-year deal let alone one for 12 million plus.

I guess we just wait and see.

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

Keep him and take the single comp pick which has a better chance of being a meaningful player than either of these schlubs?

It's also very likely that Liriano will continue to suck as a pitcher and we'd be left with nothing for him.

Originally Posted by gunnarthor

It's also very likely that Liriano will continue to suck as a pitcher and we'd be left with nothing for him.

You mean, besides a comp pick?

Originally Posted by minn55441

I guess a lot of this discussion will revolves around how you think Frankie will pitch over the second half of the season. Regardless of your criteria, wins, ERA, WAR, innings pitched etc... do really think he will pitch well enough to improve his value next offseason? I don't think he will pitch well enough to warrant a multi-year deal let alone one for 12 million plus.

I guess we just wait and see.

Some front office will bite on his potential, even if he's unimpressive the rest of this year. There's no way a guy with Liriano's injury history takes a one year deal when he's one bad tweak of his elbow away from the end of his career, and someone will throw at least 3/$20 at him.

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

Keep him and take the single comp pick which has a better chance of being a meaningful player than either of these schlubs?

First of all, you have to offer him more than $12 million and have him turn it down to get a comp pick. I don't think Liriano's turning that down, because despite the "wisdom" shown on this board, major league GMs know he isn't worth that money. So we'd be stuck sinking too much money into a guy with a 5 ERA, and come next season we're in the exact same position.

Second of all, you get one sandwich pick, and statistically, that one pick isn't likely to be a good major league player. Hell, many of those picks don't even make it to AAA. On the other hand, you trade Liriano for what we traded him for, and you get... two AAA players! Including one who was just traded for Carlos Quentin. I think some people here might be bad at math.

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

You mean, besides a comp pick?

The Twins wouldn't give him a qualifying offer if he has a 5.00 era and 0 (or lower) WAR (both of which are better than his current numbers). And if they did, he'd take it so we'd be stuck with a 12.5m for a cruddy pitcher.

Liriano probably accepts arb and the Twins are stuck w an even more untradeable player. The comp pick was far from guaranteed. Seriously, it's unlikely the Twins even offer arb. That said, not even exactly happy w the trade. This spells the end for casilla, methinks

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

You mean, besides a comp pick?

Dude, look up the new CBA and while you're at it, quit spewing this line.

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

Some front office will bite on his potential, even if he's unimpressive the rest of this year. There's no way a guy with Liriano's injury history takes a one year deal when he's one bad tweak of his elbow away from the end of his career, and someone will throw at least 3/$20 at him.

That's a good point, there maybe someone out there willing to give him 3/$20. But I don't think that he could turn down $12 for one year if we offered it to him. Even if there was a 25% chance of him taking the offer, we can't afford to make that mistake. We don't want him pitching for us anymore. that decision had been made. We can't afford to make him an offer, or he might accept.

This sucks

Originally Posted by PseudoSABR

Liriano probably accepts arb and the Twins are stuck w an even more untradeable player. The comp pick was far from guaranteed. Seriously, it's unlikely the Twins even offer arb. That said, not even exactly happy w the trade. This spells the end for casilla, methinks

Liriano has enough service time. He's out of his arb years.

It's as if Ryan just wants to GET PAST THIS SEASON [after suffering an equally bad one last year]. If he drops some more salary, who cares if he trades what few assets the Twins have for next to nothing? [The trick was always to package Liriano with Span.] Now I'm getting cold sweats thinking about what new plots TR is about to hatch. Span for Fidel Castro's driver? Willingham for Marta? Morneau for Ricky Ricardo?