Thread: Article: Twins Trade Francisco Liriano To White Sox

Originally Posted by gunnarthor

Escobar was ranked the Sox #8 prospect by fangraphs - strong glove, no bat - "CAREER OUTLOOK: There is no sign of an opportunity for Escobar to start at shortstop anytime soon in Chicago so he’ll either be trade bait or end up filling a utility role for the club. Either way he offers enough potential to put forth a respectable big league career."

Frankly, this seems like what a Liriano haul should've looked like.

So we are basically getting a replacement for Alexi Casilla next season?
Great, now Duensing or Swarzak (when healthy) will be made into starters at this rate with another young bullpen guy. Hopefully Jeff Gray gets DFA.

woulda rather had the sandwich pick.
Is this a alternative way of telling Frankie that he's not highly wanted so that they can resign him in offseason??

My only solace in this trade is the hope that Fran will revert to his old ways and sabotage the White Sox playoff run. Then it will have been worth it. Sort of

Trading him to a division rival does not hurt us this year, but if the Sox resign him we could be screwed.

Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

I'm coining the phrase "Mateo Tolberto" to be used for any reference to "utility guy from the Liriano trade" from this point forward.

Funny... I'll try to remember this. The Twins are the Chumps in this one, further escalated by trading with the enemy. What a splendid hand job this was.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

Originally Posted by Danchat

So we are basically getting a replacement for Alexi Casilla next season?
Great, now Duensing or Swarzak (when healthy) will be made into starters at this rate with another young bullpen guy. Hopefully Jeff Gray gets DFA.

What did you think we'd get? Liriano is a bad pitcher and will make about 10 more starts this season. A Punto like UI and a 5th starter/bullpen arm is about right. We still have valuable trading chips in Span and Willingham.

Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

If this is true, then I think they should have kept Liriano.

I see nothing good about this trade.

Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

Welcome Terry Ryan

Oh, great. Since we are trailing the White Sox by 314 games this year, this trade can only hurt us next year when, thanks to these brilliant acquisitions, we obviously become the odds-on favorite to win the division. This makes the Garza and Santana trades look like strokes of genius by comparison. Storm the castle!

Originally Posted by Bark's Lounge

Funny... I'll try to remember this. The Twins are the Chumps in this one, further escalated by trading with the enemy. What a splendid hand job this was.

Generally, I'd imagine the rule of thumb is "don't give a division rival someone that you think will come back to haunt you".

In this case, the Twins gave up a couple month rental in a lost season.

The Sox gave up two guys with tons of team control left. I can only imagine how highly they're regarded in the Sox inner circle for this to go down.

Time to go wander the neighborhood and find some dog feces to mail to JR's office. (Who knows what he may send me in return!)

Absolutely all are welcome, but Im just chuckling that 3 or 4 guys have posted for the first time in the last couple minutes......Frankie brings out everyone!!!

Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz

Welcome Terry Ryan

Great to be here! Thanks for having me.

Liriano had to be traded.

1) We weren't going to resign him after the season.
2) By moving him now, it does not affect our playoff chances.
3) We got something in return, every GM is aware of his struggles. I'm sure TR didn't walk away from a better offer.

Every one bitching about this trade, would even be more upset if he were not moved by the deadline.

Hopefully Ryan sees potential value in at least one of these guys and I pray that he is correct.

[QUOTE=FrodaddyG;39205Time to go wander the neighborhood and find some dog feces to mail to JR's office. (Who knows what he may send me in return!)[/QUOTE]

Maybe Alex Wimmers pitching arm. That seems like a fair trade for dog feces.

Sickels on Hernandez: Hernandez has an 88-92 MPH fastball along with a good changeup and mediocre curve. There's nothing spectacular about him, but he throws strikes and could develop into a fifth starter or a relief option. I currently rate him as a Grade C prospect. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/...cago-white-sox

Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

Yes but an inept GM trades a guy for next to nothing when he could have gotten an additional high draft pick next year when his player declines the qualifying offer. There's maybe 20% chance max that Liriano would have accepted seeing as he's likely the top lefty and one of the youngest on the market next year and it wouldn't have been the end of the world if he had accepted.

I was ready for a complete overhaul but I don't trust Ryan to do right by the club anymore. Please hold onto Span/Willingham/Perkins and anyone else under contract until someone with a better vision takes control.

Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

Thank you. I've been all for trading Liriano, and it's frankly because he's not a good pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, talent. Blah, blah, blah, upside. Gimme something in a real game, please, or just shut the hell up. He's been crap since his Tommy John (2010 excepted), and on top his horrible inconsistency, he only pitches well when there is absolutely nothing on the line. He's Mr. June.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this trade. Yeah, these guys aren't stellar. But Liriano isn't any good anyway, and he's a rental without a comp pick. What the hell did you people expect?

Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz

Absolutely all are welcome, but Im just chuckling that 3 or 4 guys have posted for the first time in the last couple minutes......Frankie brings out everyone!!!

What can I say? I am going to miss those 10 trips to the mound by Joe and Andy before the fifth inning. Fond memories