Thread: Reds Have "Kicked the Tires" on Span

Span is worth more than just Cingrani.

One other option I was actually thinking was Mesoraco. I wonder if the Reds would include him in a trade if the Twins flipped back a certain beloved backup catcher.

Originally Posted by drjim

Span is worth more than just Cingrani.

One other option I was actually thinking was Mesoraco. I wonder if the Reds would include him in a trade if the Twins flipped back a certain beloved backup catcher.

I said "yes" to Span for Cingrani straight up. I say "yes, yes, YES!" to this deal. I don't think the Reds are using Mesoraco well anyway.

Also, it's been covered before, but Span plugs a huge hole for the Reds. An upgrade of .100 points in OBP (for leadoff hitters, to boot) is ridiculous, and if I'm the Reds GM, I'm thinking that kind of thing really helps me out.

Originally Posted by drjim

Span is worth more than just Cingrani.

One other option I was actually thinking was Mesoraco. I wonder if the Reds would include him in a trade if the Twins flipped back a certain beloved backup catcher.

I don't think the Reds have any desire to trade Mesoraco, he's their future catcher.

And color me crazy, but I think the Mauer/Doumit/Butera is the way to go moving forward.

I read up a lot on Reds prospects last night and if the Twins could get either Cingrani or Daniel Corcino, SS Didi Gregorius and a lower-level pitcher (or Yorman Rodriguez), I think I would pull the trigger.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard

And color me crazy, but I think the Mauer/Doumit/Butera is the way to go moving forward.

More importantly, how much could you possibly gain by replacing Butera with a catcher that isn't awful with a bat? The guy is only going to get ~130 PAs this season. The amount of damage he can inflict is limited.

Get it done Span for Cigrani/Stephenson and another highly rated prospect!

cingrani would become our best pitching prospect right away but...stephenson has one of the best arms in the minors - he's flashing triple digits fairly regularly. i was hoping we could somehow pry syndergaard loose from the jays but stephenson would be a grade A plan B.

I'd take Span for Cigrani straight up... Hard throwing lefties getting tons of Ks in AA aren't exactly easy to come by. The reds still have one other nicely rated pitching prospect too. I do think a package deal here with Span and Liriano makes sense, but I doubt the reds would want to part with that much AA talent. FWIW, Sickes graded the following guys:

Cingrani B- (though given how he's done this year, I'd think this is going to go up). #6 overall
Corcino B. #3 overall
Hamilton B+ (also top 100). #2 overall
Stephenson B. #4 overall.

Getting one of these guys would be pretty impressive. I'm doubtful we could get two unless the Reds are more desparate than I thought. They have some nice pitching depth that fits nicely with the Twins needs.

More Reds-Span talk. This time from current MLB.com CIN beat writer (and former MLB.com MIN beat writer) Mark Sheldon:

http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2012/07/27/re...-leadoff-help/

The Reds will get Victorino.

Originally Posted by shanewahl

The Reds will get Victorino.

According to Heyman, the Reds and Phillies are no longer talking. Maybe that opens the door for a Span deal?

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...89400695762944

Originally Posted by John Bonnes

According to Heyman, the Reds and Phillies are no longer talking. Maybe that opens the door for a Span deal?

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...89400695762944

I think Heyman should try to find a little cornier background for his Twitter page.

Originally Posted by John Bonnes

According to Heyman, the Reds and Phillies are no longer talking. Maybe that opens the door for a Span deal?

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...89400695762944

Wow, I am very thankful I am not a Phillies fan at this point, they have completely screwed the pooch with nearly every move they have made the past year or two.
100 million to Ryan Howard?
Overpaying Hamels.

Not trading your free agents when you have the chance? If they end up holding onto Victorino this will be a disaster for Philly.

Originally Posted by rocketpig

I think Heyman should try to find a little cornier background for his Twitter page.

I'm shocked it's not a picture of his lord and savior Scott Boras.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

Wow, I am very thankful I am not a Phillies fan at this point, they have completely screwed the pooch with nearly every move they have made the past year or two.
100 million to Ryan Howard?
Overpaying Hamels.

Not trading your free agents when you have the chance? If they end up holding onto Victorino this will be a disaster for Philly.

The Phillies are having the greatest run in the history of that franchise. They've been in win now mode for the last 5-6 years. When you're in win-now mode this is what happens.

Ruban has made plenty of mistakes, but I get why he did them.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

Wow, I am very thankful I am not a Phillies fan at this point, they have completely screwed the pooch with nearly every move they have made the past year or two.
100 million to Ryan Howard?
Overpaying Hamels.

Not trading your free agents when you have the chance? If they end up holding onto Victorino this will be a disaster for Philly.

It sounds like Victorino is going to the Dodgers

Originally Posted by DPJ

The Phillies are having the greatest run in the history of that franchise. They've been in win now mode for the last 5-6 years. When you're in win-now mode this is what happens.

Ruban has made plenty of mistakes, but I get why he did them.

Agreed. It's part of the cycle if your not the Yankees. Phillies have a lot of money so they'll have some room to regroup. I'm glad their ownership went all in.

Originally Posted by DPJ

The Phillies are having the greatest run in the history of that franchise. They've been in win now mode for the last 5-6 years. When you're in win-now mode this is what happens.

Ruban has made plenty of mistakes, but I get why he did them.

Does this year count as part of the greatest run? They have like $100 mil tied up per year to the following players then next few seasons; Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Howard.

They are going to have a hell of a time fielding a lineup.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

Does this year count as part of the greatest run? They have like $100 mil tied up per year to the following players then next few seasons; Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Howard.

They are going to have a hell of a time fielding a lineup.

Well it was going to end eventually ( even though I personally could see them winning the East next season) The Phillies were all in and this is what you get, alot of bloated contracts. They can still move Lee and that frees up some cash, they can make things happen still. It's not like they're doomed.

We'd be kneeling at the Pohlads feet if they had the same commitment to winning.

The Howard contract was riduculously bad. They outbid themselves, no one else was going to pay that. Just bad. I have no major issue with the Halladay and Lee signings, frankly. That is the cost of great pitching these days.

Looking at what the Dodgers gave up for Victorino (from Tim Dierkes MLBTR), let me ask this... if this is the going rate for a CF and is comparable to what TR is getting offered for Span, do you take it? (Personally... I don't think so):

Martin, the Dodgers' first-round draft pick from 2008, owns a 3.58 ERA, 8.5 K/9, 4.7 BB/9, and 0.38 HR/9 in 118 Double-A innings this year. Drafted as a raw high schooler, Baseball America ranked Martin 17th on their Dodgers prospect list prior to the season. They wrote that Martin "maintains the ceiling of a No. 2 starter but has a long way to go."
Lindblom, 25, has a 3.02 ERA, 8.1 K/9, 3.4 BB/9, 1.70 HR/9, and 38% groundball rate in 47 2/3 relief innings this year, so he's had some issues with the longball. He doesn't have much big league service time, and is technically under team control through 2017. Drafted in the second round in '08, Lindblom was once considered one of the team's top prospects. Lindblom was made more expendable by the Dodgers' acquisition of League from the Mariners last night.