Thread: Time for a change

Originally Posted by Willihammer

Can Martinez field his own coaching staff?

Yes, no sense have the Vavra, Ulger and the rest of the Keystone Cops still around.

I'll take any disciples from the school of Madden.

Interesting to see that there still is a 10% of fans who defend Gardy....

Originally Posted by Willihammer

Who, then, should replace Gardy? I echo the chorus only if the replacement isn't another old fashioned thinker ie. Francona.

For starters, a replacement should at least use shifts. 4-5+ free wins right there.

someone who is good with the kids....

ctually the more I think about it the more I think they need to give him one more year. This year and last year aren't on Gardy, and at least with Ryan at the helm he was able to make some very nice moves in the off-season.

In reality the Twins never had a shot this year. Let's see what Ryan can give Gardy to work with heading into 2013 and go from there.

For all the people saying Gardy needs to go now, thats great. I have still yet to read one suggestion of a coach who would be a better replacement.

I don't see us bringing in Leyland, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona or Joe Torre to the Twins cities any time soon.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

Just to be clear...I didn't say anything about "second halfs." That was in a response from someone else.

Apologies if that was unclear in my post.

Originally Posted by thrylos98

Interesting to see that there still is a 10% of fans who defend Gardy....

I would imagine the % of fans doing what you call defending is higher than 10%. By a lot. And should be. There are lots of people and fans that are actually capable of rational, constructive thoughts on the topic, as has been shown in this thread alone.

I like Ron Gardenhire, too. But I think Terry Francona could turn this team around.

Originally Posted by jimbo92107

I like Ron Gardenhire, too. But I think Terry Francona could turn this team around.

If we can get Francona then by all means we should do it. I just don't see it happening as he will be in Chicago sooner or later.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

If we can get Francona then by all means we should do it. I just don't see it happening as he will be in Chicago sooner or later.

He's gonna go back to the GM that fired him?

Originally Posted by CDog

I would imagine the % of fans doing what you call defending is higher than 10%. By a lot. And should be. There are lots of people and fans that are actually capable of rational, constructive thoughts on the topic, as has been shown in this thread alone.

Rational and constructive thoughts = supporting lifetime contract for Gardy. Got it.

Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave

For all the people saying Gardy needs to go now, thats great. I have still yet to read one suggestion of a coach who would be a better replacement.

I don't see us bringing in Leyland, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona or Joe Torre to the Twins cities any time soon.

Just cause you don't hire a guy who doesn't have the track record of Gardy or any of those guys doesn't mean you're getting any less of a manager.

This is AL baseball, it's not that tough to manage. Just don't put Matt ****ing Tolbert in the 2 spot and be ok bringing your best reliever in in the 8th inning.

What's the difference who the manager is with starting pitching this horrible? Ideally the guy to replace Gardy would be someone who could take the team to the next level (i.e. win a playoff series). Now what's the point? They're not going to be competitive for at least two years, probably three, then at that point who knows.

OTOH, do you guys really want Gardenhire to be the guy handling the next wave of players like Hicks, Benson, Arcia, Rosario etc.? Do we want him choosing "his guys" and seemingly arbitrarily publicly trashing those that aren't "his guys" again? I don't, but I don't think Gardy wants to wait around until this happens, either. Let him retire after this season or next, at his discretion, with a little dignity.

Gardenhire is a very good manager. Period. BUT, he has lost this team. He will get another job and do well again. Terry Francona will be the manager for the Twins next season. Losing is extremely exhausting physically, but moreso emotionally. If you run out of emotional "energy" (can't get excited for games) you will play poorly. This is on the players as individuals, but this is difficult for coaches too. Gardenhire is not the only problem, but the best solution for the organization is a fresh start.

Originally Posted by Siehbiscuit

Gardenhire is a very good manager. Period. BUT, he has lost this team. He will get another job and do well again. Terry Francona will be the manager for the Twins next season. Losing is extremely exhausting physically, but moreso emotionally. If you run out of emotional "energy" (can't get excited for games) you will play poorly. This is on the players as individuals, but this is difficult for coaches too. Gardenhire is not the only problem, but the best solution for the organization is a fresh start.

Why in the hell would Francona want to manage a rebuilding team?

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Rational and constructive thoughts = supporting lifetime contract for Gardy. Got it.

Always fun when someone jumps into the deep end without a clue. Go ahead and read the thread. Don't be afraid. Maybe won't be as fun as the deep end, but also won't make you look so foolish.

Originally Posted by DPJ

Why in the hell would Francona want to manage a rebuilding team?

Yeah, I can't see it happening.
He will be with the Cubs soon enough. Also Theo didn't fire Terry, Theo was forced to fire Terry and then left town.

Originally Posted by CDog

Always fun when someone jumps into the deep end without a clue. Go ahead and read the thread. Don't be afraid. Maybe won't be as fun as the deep end, but also won't make you look so foolish.

What, I get that you think Gardy should stay. It's myopic to think that there can be no rational argument to let Gardy go.

Why would the Twins fire a long-term manager that the fanbase generally likes 2/3 of the way into a lost season?

Let him ride out the season and then re-evaluate in the winter.

Originally Posted by rocketpig

Why would the Twins fire a long-term manager that the fanbase generally likes 2/3 of the way into a lost season?
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To make a statement that losing is not tolerated. THAT simple. If they do not, they practically say that they are ok with the product on the field. Wrong message.

Originally Posted by thrylos98

To make a statement that losing is not tolerated. THAT simple. If they do not, they practically say that they are ok with the product on the field. Wrong message.

Please. They are losing but since the awful start the Twins have more or less been playing .500 ball since mid May. Right now the team looks like it will win between 72-74 games, while that is nothing to write home about it is important to note that will be 10+ games better then last year. There is absolutely zero reason to fire him in the middle of the season, if you want to root for a team that has knee jerk reactions and fires people at will I suggest hopping on the New York Yankees bandwagon, I'm sure they have room for ya.