07-11-2012, 07:22 PM #1
Article: Trade Target Team Profile: The Pittsburgh Pirates
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07-11-2012, 08:27 PM #2
I really like Heredia. He would be extremely difficult to get even with Denard Span involved.
07-11-2012, 08:35 PM #3
I would want Taillon, McPherson or Heredia as part of the deal. We don't get one of those, then we're not getting enough and we should keep Span.
07-11-2012, 09:38 PM #4
Willingham, Liriano, and Casilla to Pittsburgh
Robbie Grossman, *Jameson Taillon or Luis Heredia, Kyle McPherson, Evan Meek, and Allen Hanson, or Jarek Cunningham
(i don't think they want to move Cole, Marte, Sanchez, Appel, and probably Hanson)
---Span to the Nats for LHP Danny Rosenbaum and INF Steven Lombardozzi
1. Revere -CF
2. Lombardozzi -2B
3. Mauer -C
4. Torii Hunter -RF
5. Morneau -1B
6. Plouffe -3B
7. Doumit -DH
8. Grossman -LF
9. Dozier - SSTop Twins prospects ?
1. Miguel Sano (3B-A+) 2. Byron Buxton (OF-RK) 3. Alex Meyer (SP-AA) 4. Aaron Hicks (OF-AAA), 5. Oswaldo Arcia (OF-AA) 6. Eddie Rosario (2B-A+) 7. Kyle Gibson (SP-AAA) 8. Trevor May (SP-AA) 9. J.O. Berrios (P-RK) 10. Travis Harrison (3B-A) 11. Max Kepler (OF-A) 12. Joe Benson (OF-AAA)13. Jorge Polanco (SS-A) 14. Chris Herrmann (C-AAA) 15. BJ Hermsen (SP-AAA)
07-11-2012, 10:19 PM #5
Wrong planet, wrong dimension. Please adjust your television set.
07-12-2012, 12:15 AM #6
God. Trading away a key component at the top of the lineup for an unknown MLB contributor is just ridiculous. As are the subsequent jabberings about Hunter and Lombardozzi. Lombardozzi batting second!
Everyone wanting to trade Span is ignoring the hole that creates in the lineup. Full stop. It is not the case that trading him merely means adding a starting pitcher. It means adding a potential starting pitcher and creating a hole in the lineup.
The Twins should spend $25 million on two starting pitchers. And forget the rest of this trading away the best players BS.
07-12-2012, 04:26 AM #7
They converted Allie to a third-baseman. The word on him in leading up to the draft was light tower power with likely contact issues.
07-12-2012, 06:19 AM #8
I just want to see a move that improves the team, even if it's only initially... Even for one second. TRY.
I'm not saying give away pieces, but I'd like to see them roll the dice with good-looking prospects. Even young "B Prospects"
07-12-2012, 07:36 AM #9
Hunter is 36 years old this season. He'll be looking at one last contract to close out his career and he's no more than a middling corner outfielder at this point. He's popular with the Minnesota fans. He has stated an openness to returning to the Twins.
Arcia, Hicks, and Benson will not be ready before mid-2013 at the earliest (Hicks) and 2014 is a more realistic possibility (Arcia, Benson). Hunter slots in perfectly as a 2013 stop-gap and possibly a platoon role in 2014 if the Twins need to give him a two year deal.
07-12-2012, 07:42 AM #10
1. The Twins have a middle-of-the-pack offense. Losing Span won't make the offense spiral into obscurity.
2. The Twins have the worst starting rotation in baseball. It's all about net gain in a trade. They lose a little on offense but gain a ton in pitching because their staff is so bad right now.
3. Finding a corner outfielder that can play is one of the easiest things to do in free agency. Look at the demand for Josh Willingham; the guy was an obvious choice and for $7m a year, is a steal. The Twins will probably be able to pick up a guy like Hunter for a 2/$12m type deal and he'll put up similar offensive numbers to Span in the short term. For that kind of money, you get Jason Marquis if you're looking for a starter.
4. Finding a starting pitcher that can pitch is the hardest thing to do in free agency. Every team wants starters and every team overbids for them in FA.
5. Going into 2013, the Twins would be close to payroll neutral sans Span and plus Hunter. But now, they're one starting pitcher closer to contending. They still have close to the same money to go pick up another starter on the free agency market. Suddenly, their rotation isn't awful anymore.
A smart team trades from a strength to improve a weakness, particularly if that weakness is nearly impossible to find on the free agent market for a reasonable price.
07-12-2012, 11:42 AM #11
Span becomes more and more of an option as long as Pedro Alvarez keeps raking. If Alvarez keeps hitting, I would look for the Pirates to pursue options that have more long term value rather than short term fixes. Putting a legit lead off hitter with team control for the next few years in front of McCutchen and Alvarez will be a more attractive option for the team as it will almost have to give up pitching prospects to gain a player.
07-12-2012, 04:39 PM #12
07-15-2012, 03:38 AM #13
From the perspective of a Pirates fan, this is bordering on ignorant. FYI. Span as a semi-long-term corner? Um... Starling Marte, Robbie Grossman, and oh by the way Alex Presley except for April and May this season. If you've watched the day in, day out you wouldn't have much if any leadoff angst. Sutton's a hot-hand fill-in. Presley raked in his AAA concussion rehab tonight. Willingham has been discussed at length for months on Pirates' boards. Liriano gets an occasional mention. I don't think I've ever heard Span's name even mentioned save as "well, the Twins are probably trying to deal him, but he's not a fit."
07-15-2012, 02:22 PM #14
I live in Indy and got to watch their AAA facility play yesterday. Marte and Presley looked pretty good (Presley was apparently called up yesterday and made his debut in AAA yesterday). I have a tough time believing they will want any type of OF help. Marte is having a decent enough season where I'd think they can just call him up if they want additional help offensively, so I don't get the need for Span...
07-15-2012, 02:55 PM #15
The Pirates are going after Justin Upton and will not give up Cole or Taillon for him but I guess they are will to part with Marte.
07-15-2012, 07:04 PM #16
diehard, Presley's rehabbing. He's their starting LF and lead off man with Tabata down.
07-15-2012, 07:24 PM #17
Ah.... He looked like he was ready.
07-15-2012, 11:12 PM #18
As a pure baseball fan, I can tell you your outfield would be much better for a stretch run with Span, McCutchen, and Jones/Tabata/Marte/Presley/Sutton than with MCCutchen and two question marks. You have pitching, you need hitting, and Span won't cost one of your untouchables. How can you find anything wrong with that option to upgrade your team's offense?