07-10-2012, 09:35 PM #81
07-10-2012, 10:25 PM #82
It looks to me like Florimon's upside would be a low OBP, good speed and defense, bottom of the order guy. He isn't allergic to XBH, but he doesn't make solid contact often enough to put up good power numbers. That doesn't scream MLB regular. I still am holding out hope that his hitting improves to a point where he can be in a big league lineup and wow us fans with his defense.
Back to the Alexi/Jamie/ Brian trio. We all know what we can get from Carroll--versatility, steady defense, OK OBP and no power. That absolutely says "utility infielder". It makes sense to me to decide whether Casilla is worth keeping in 2013--as noted above he hasn't played in over 100 games in a season in his career, but so far he's been healthy. Carroll could start once a week at short and once a week at second to rest the two younger players. If Dozier continues to spiral, especially on defense, start Carroll or Florimon there and if Casilla can't get it going by the end of this month, make the decision that he's not part of the future (DFA him whatever). Maybe Alexi can make himself tradeable, maybe he can get a contract for next year or maybe he gets nontendered in the winter.
07-10-2012, 11:13 PM #83
With all that said, the Twins would still need to find an everyday 2B for 2013 if that's the case, Plouffe maybe is an option if Valencia comes back somewhat effective? Or else you have to roll with Alexi as the every day 2B heading into the season which is far from ideal.
07-11-2012, 08:10 AM #84
What about Beresford, currently playing 50% SS & 2b at New Brittain, he shows excellent fielding skills both left and right, only 4 errors in 71 games and his batting is more about contact with the lowest by far Ks by regulars players, power is down but seems to hit the ball a lot.
07-11-2012, 08:23 AM #85
did something happen in the Texas series that everyone thinks Dozier is spiraling? He was hitting quite well in Detroit. This is his rookie year, he's not a super prospect by any means.... meaning he's going to take some lumps. This is when you let the kid play and see what he can do without the pressure of knowing that if he makes a mistake he will be on the plane back to Rochester.
The question is not Casilla vs. Dozier. It should be Casilla vs. Carrol at 2nd. Honestly, I don't get the big deal. Like others said, the guy has had a ridiculous number of chances including getting the position handed to him in the offseason only for him to blow it. Next year, he's going to cost what Carrol does as well, which essentially makes him overpriced. He's going to be let go and will sign a 1/1M prove it contract with some other team to be a backup or have a chance to compete for a starting job. The only chance of that not happening is if we can convince a team like Detroit to part with a C+ prospect, as he would be a fairly modest upgrade to their situation, and I doubt playing him every day will effect that... I'd add that playing him every day could also destroy what little value he has.
07-11-2012, 08:57 AM #86
I feel like Casilla and Carroll are pretty much interchangeable. I like Casilla because he's younger and will be slightly cheaper than Carroll. On the other hand, having an old MI vet around might help Dozier. Either way, I'm not going to get worked up about it.
07-11-2012, 09:07 AM #87
There are several points that I would like to make:
1) Casilla has NO trade value right now. Teams at this point are looking for that player(s) that are going to send them to the top of their division. Mentioned trade partners so far:
Twins: Casilla .236, .308, .577
Nats: Espinosa .232, .374, .683.....only 25yr old and hit 21 home runs last year.
Tigers: Santiago .230, .316, .620
Orioles: Andino .231, .318, .611
Giants: Theriot .275, .322, .632
Who here actually thinks any team looks at that line and thinks "I need to add that to my team! We're going to the playoffs!". If you want to argue teams in the offseason might trade for Casilla if he plays the second half and demonstrates an improvement I wouldn't disagree but right now he has no trade value.
2) Casilla vs. Florimon vs. Dozier vs. Carroll re:2013
To me Casilla is the odd man out here. Florimon and Dozier are potential pieces of the future and the only way to truly know is to give them a shot. Casilla has repeatedly shown that he is not the long term solution not because he doesn't have flashes of mediocrity but because he can't stay on the field and has shown a propensity to crater offensively. Carroll hit .290, .347, .706 last year which is just slightly above his career numbers. To me it is worth keeping him around to see if he can return to his career norms. Maybe his age has caught up to him and he is just downhill but maybe he is just having a poor year at the plate. Carroll is also owed $3.75M next year where as Alexi is owed $0. That is probably the biggest reason to keep Carroll.
3) "Carroll is a career backup." Carroll has played in more games than Alexi Casilla in every season except 1. So if Carroll is a "career backup" what does that make Alexi?
07-11-2012, 09:24 AM #88
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07-11-2012, 09:42 AM #89
Yangervis Solarte with a .760 OPS in AAA this year, mostly at 2B, but with some time at 3B and in LF. Six homers. 30 walks / 26 strikeouts. 21 doubles. He would have altered this conversation significantly, I think. Not sure why he didn't sign as a six-year FA with the Twins org. Either the Twins didn't want him, or because the Twins FOOLISHLY didn't promote him to AAA late last year when he clearly deserved it instead of the plethora of jokers on that polluted AAA roster last year, he simply wanted to get the hell away.
Whatever is going to be the plan next year has to be started this year. So Florimon should definitely get some time (at short) and Dozier can play 2B. If one really thinks that saving $4.5 million or whatever is going to get the Twins to spend that money on pitching, then clearly Florimon and Dozier in, while Casilla and Carroll out (meaning . . . NISHIOKA . . .). I don't think Carroll is going to have any real suitors, though, and he does have very good value as a backup for those three infield positions.
If Florimon doesn't work out this year, oh well. Carroll and Nishioka are options still. Beresford is definitely someone who needs to continue AA numbers in AAA before I would think about including him in this mix.
07-11-2012, 10:20 AM #90
One person no one is mentioning in this thread is Michael... He's quietly starting to put together a decent season in Fort Myers.
Given his age and that his early season play could be due to shaking the rust off and adjusting to wooden bats, it wouldn't be a shock to see him get a call to New Britain this season (though I think he'll start next season there if things continue to progress). Either way, I think he'll start progressing through the ranks quickly if he stays healthy.
By the middle of next year, we could be talking about him getting the call to the Twins.
07-11-2012, 10:25 AM #91
Dozier is playing because he has potential. Casilla has spent most of his. That said, Casilla is still about one year younger than Carroll was when he got to the majors for the first time.
I don't think Dozier is the long term solution at short but I don't really see another around the bend. I'm willing to let him try it the rest of this year and probably next. I would not be saying that if the Twins were truly contenders though.
Sincerely, I hope Casilla is in this type of discussion somewhere in ten years. I think Casilla can play the Carroll roll for the Twins next year at 1/2 or 2/3 the price. I expect Carroll to be here and Casilla to be elsewhere though.
I'm glad no one mentioned Hardy.
07-11-2012, 02:41 PM #92
2) Carroll's career averages and his recent past both say this year is well below his norms offensively. Like I said just last year he hit .290/.347/.706 which was only slightly above his career average. So unless you're claiming his age has finally caught up with him, which is a possibility, yes he has a good chance to bounce back and have a good year next year.
3) This is just flat out wrong. In 2006 he started 102 games at 2B, 212 games with the Dodgers in '10-'11 and 76 games with the Twins so far. Whether or not he plays his best ball at this point in his career doesn't really matter. What matters is will he play better than Casilla and/or are his intangibles worth more to the club?
4) You're absolutely right. The 28 year old that has been below average in his career 1600 PA and hasn't been able to play even 100 games in a season has a chance to be pretty good but the 25yo with the supposedly great defense that has never been given a opportunity has no chance and shouldn't be given a shot. [/sarc]
07-11-2012, 03:55 PM #93
Refining my argument
As for Carroll--he brings great versatility and durability to the table--despite minimal talent, he has carved out an admirable major league career. He has been a very good utility infielder because of those traits. I just don't think he should routinely be starting especially for a noncontender at 38 years of age.
07-11-2012, 04:29 PM #94