Thread: Pavano's return delayed?

Originally Posted by snepp

Yes, you're completely innocent, a poor martyr of a poster being picked on.

Or, you made a moronic post (containing no content toward the topic at hand) and are being called out for it directly rather than using the passive aggressiveness you prefer to employ.

The point was made in the post you first quoted, and was about exactly the topic at hand AND subsequently more directly for anyone who wasn't able to catch the drift of the first question. This after a previous thread where you repeatedly tried to belittle me after taking the opposite of my actual meaning and then doing it again once I had repeated the original intent. Once again, you're showing your inability or unwillingness to read and interpret.

I made an honest, sincere attempt to learn from my own mistakes. To you that makes me claim to be a completely innocent and poor martyr. See final sentence of previous paragraph.

I'll take a shot...when you have 450+ posts, and roughly 400 of them are backhanded slaps at individual posters, or disingenuous "questions" designed not to get information but to imply the original poster is making things up or is an idiot, rather than original baseball content, people catch on. One can ignore it, but when you turn around and accuse others of those very things...well...

I'm guilty of some of that myself. I'll try to do better.

And for the record, Snepp is one of the funniest, most insightful posters anywhere. He makes this place better. Trust me on this, I think you'll come around.

I think that we all could do better. This is a great site for respectful debate. Disagreement makes it interesting, but personal attacks are distracting And practicing passionate debate while remaining respectful is a skill that will serve us well in the real world as well. If only our politicians could learn this.

I think it's OK if not every post is baseball related. There is plenty of minutiae here, and always room for a little fun, too. I have enjoyed this thread.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

And for the record, Snepp is one of the funniest, most insightful posters anywhere. He makes this place better. Trust me on this, I think you'll come around.

Remember that the next time we "discuss" the merits of certain "advanced" statistical measurements.

Originally Posted by snepp

Remember that the next time we "discuss" the merits of certain "advanced" statistical measurements.

Those are the times I consider you funny, rather than insightful.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

Those are the times I consider you funny, rather than insightful.

Damn, that's cold blooded....




I laughed, that was pretty good.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

I'll take a shot...when you have 450+ posts, and roughly 400 of them are backhanded slaps at individual posters, or disingenuous "questions" designed not to get information but to imply the original poster is making things up or is an idiot, rather than original baseball content, people catch on. One can ignore it, but when you turn around and accuse others of those very things...well...

I'm guilty of some of that myself. I'll try to do better.

And for the record, Snepp is one of the funniest, most insightful posters anywhere. He makes this place better. Trust me on this, I think you'll come around.

Starting with paragraph 2...Understood and the sentiment is appreciated.

As for paragraph 3, I will continue to take him as he presents himself as I try to do with others.

And paragraph 1...I'm going to try not to get too defensive. I asked the question honestly and I'll take the reply at it's worth. However, the question I asked wasn't the one answered. Also, the "roughly 400" is, in fact, clearly made up and that seems not to be in line with the conciliatory tone I was hoping for.

And the following comments are not meant to be dismissive of yours nor defensive, but simply continuing discussion (and granted, maybe that shouldn't happen here in this thread): I would truly like to know if I've made a slap--backhanded or otherwise--on a PERSONAL level (and not about the facts or the opinions in the post) that was not in response to one leveled at me. Again, it's an honest question. I don't think I have, and clearly you do. Fourth, when someone says something I don't agree with or think may be factually wrong but don't know, I often will ask them to clarify, and contrary to your claim, usually I am indeed looking for information. That's not typically disingenuous (there are obviously cases where something is really ridiculous and the question may be used as a way to illustrate rhetorically...and I will try to do better with that. There was one in this thread that was asked to illustrate the point I made later more directly. It wasn't meant to belittle anyone, merely to make an analogy).

And finally, the post you originally replied to in this thread was in turn a response to a specific post. And, as I asked before, I would honestly like to know if I have ever, ever lashed out in the manner of that post, (especially unprovoked). Or even nearly to that level.

Look, CDog. Asking whether the Twins are mad at Willingham is totally backhanded and not at all "asking someone to clarify." It totally misses the context Nick's comment, which is unforgiveable if you consider yourself an educated fan. The reality is that the Twins have had many public contentious relationships with their players about health--Perkins might be the most commonly cited example, but these kinds of issues of cropped up with numerous players. Whether it's the players being dishonest themselves or the Twins medical staff being inept the Twins have handled player injuries poorly both internally and publicly--to say otherwise is nothing more than tone-deaf homerism and other better-informed posters will call you out on it.

And as along as your open to criticism (which I somehow doubt), we'd all appreciate if you took a bit more time and reread your posts; they are difficult to muddle through and are logistical nightmares (One example: using the word "Fourth" in the middle of your second to last paragraph of the prior post is completely nonsensical). People will take you more seriously the more seriously you take yourself.

There's no need to reply to me. I'm not interested in debating these issues; I just wanted to clarify in case of the off chance you were sincere in your ignorance or openness to critique.

Originally Posted by snepp

Or, you made a moronic post (containing no content toward the topic at hand) and are being called out for it directly rather than using the passive aggressiveness you prefer to employ.

In this post you self-censored sweared at the guy, then insulted his posts.

I would expect more cerebral arguments from a guy with Donatello as an avatar.

Originally Posted by snepp

How do you even respond to something this ****ing stupid?

I think we all want this community to be as inclusive as possible to Twins fans. Could we all try to cool down a second before we escalate a thread into a personal attack? If we can't police ourselves, the administrators will need to.