And they're paying for that now....Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnarthor
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And they're paying for that now....Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnarthor
True, if you define "few pretty solid years" as "a single just below average season"Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnarthor
True, if you define "a single just below average season" as "2 years of almost exactly average baseball".Quote:
Originally Posted by thrylos98
A couple quick questions, then I'll leave this alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by thrylos98
Is 200 innings "just below average" for a starting pitcher?
Was a 4.00 ERA in 2008 or 2009 "just below average" for a starting pitcher?
If you can answer yes to both of those questions, without making a fool of yourself in the process, I'll agree with you.
Well Nick TRUTHFULLY , i actually did , I was one of the few Twins fans that LOVED the Bullock for Diamond swap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Nelson
anytime you can get a pitcher, southpaw as is, from the BRAVOS org. who throws stikes at THOSE rates, for a guy who ....while throws really hard , is a reliever who can't throw it over the plate.
sure ARL in that case was a factor, but i thought the Twins scouts did a good - great job scalping a player, OBVIOUSLY, undervalued from an org. Who at the time PUMPED out pitching prospects ....Diamond from the scrapheap that while a little older was actually a hell of a prospect
for a guy in Bullock who was COMPLETELY a suspect (he literally can not throw the baseball over the plate at all) *not saying he won't one day, but likely he'll never be an MLB factor.
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Originally Posted by snepp
hehe.. nice. The thing about that Blackburn is that he seemed to be able to dial it up and get some strikeouts in key situations. This version seems allergic to them (though the K/9 from those years and now would say otherwise). Diamond, while he won't be a K monster, is getting a few more than Nickie...
Good thing they are completely different pitchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Dan Gladden
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Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse
how so? both are ground ball machines who put things in play... when Blackburn was good, he was the same way. The problem is that these type of pitchers are walking a very fine line. I'll admit to drinking the Blackburn koolaid when he did it two years in a row and was not nearly as upset about that contract as some others... but since then, Blackie has shown us that this fine line is in fact a fine line. Diamond is the same way. I have no problems counting on him as a #4/5 guy for the next couple of seasons, but to center a rotation around him would be foolish. Unless he starts getting a few more Ks, he's going to regress. If the Twins fancy themselves as competitors next season, then they need to get some higher upside starters to go with Diamond.
I would say a positive is that there appears to be enough bullpen depth that the Twins won't need to sign a reliever to a major league contract in the offseason, so all free money can go to the rotation (and maybe a RF if the Twins trade Span).
In last 60 days, Twins are 28-27.
Detroit is 26-30.
KC is 28-26.
Cleveland is 27-29.
Chicago is 31-23.