Thread: Sellers - - - - Buyers - - - - ?????

Originally Posted by rocketpig

They'd probably be the best team in the Central with Hamels and Greinke.

If the Twins were to get those guys I doubt they leapfrog anyone other than the Royals. They would have to give up Rosario, Arcia, maybe Sano, Plouffe, Revere,Dozier, and one of Span/Willy to pull that off. The lineup would be decimated.

To examine the terrible state of affairs try to think like any opposing GM and try to find minor league talent or cost contolled mlb players you would like to acquire off this team. This is why the Twins must ne sellers, they have a lost generation of talent due to terrible trades and drafting.

Originally Posted by twinswon1991

If the Twins were to get those guys I doubt they leapfrog anyone other than the Royals. They would have to give up Rosario, Arcia, maybe Sano, Plouffe, Revere,Dozier, and one of Span/Willy to pull that off. The lineup would be decimated.

To examine the terrible state of affairs try to think like any opposing GM and try to find minor league talent or cost contolled mlb players you would like to acquire off this team. This is why the Twins must ne sellers, they have a lost generation of talent due to terrible trades and drafting.

They definitely won't trade for Greinke or Hamels so they won't give up anyone to get them. If they pursue them (which they won't), it would be as Free Agents in the offseason.

I think the Twins showed their hand when they extended Dumait, with Willingham, Mauer, Morneau, you have a core worth building around. Add a couple of good starters and they're in contention next year. If you blow up the team by trading all your decent assets (Perkins, Span, Ploufe, Burton, etc.) then all you have is the two lame ducks with big contracts (Mauer and Morneau) sitting there, with a crappy team around them, hoping all these 'prospects' you pickup mature.

Span might go though, since they have Revere to replace him. Thats the type of trade that Ryan will make, identify where they have 'extra' players and trade them for needed parts.

Couldn't the answer be neither? As has been stated many places, the entire flock of position players is under contract. There's a ton of money coming off next year and the year after. Could the strategy be to take the lumps the rest of this year, trying to stay competitive and find people that can help around the fringes, and then go after two really good starting pitchers in the offseason AND a few other smaller pieces? I know a lot of people hate that strategy thinking things need to get blown up. I'm honestly not sure which would be more effective. But it's possible that they neither buy nor sell as part of their long term plan, no?

Originally Posted by jorgenswest

I hope the management sees it in a different way.

Teams are always buyers. At some point, a team will go from buying for 2012 to buying for 2013.

At this point the priority should be to take care of assets that will no longer be under team control after the season. They did that with Doumit. I would have preferred a trade this summer, but they did something to buy for 2013.

They have four options with Liriano and their rights to around 17 more starts.

1-Trade and receive whatever 13-17 Liriano starts is worth
2-Extend his contract this summer.
3-Plan to offer compensation level contract and minimally guarantee two picks or his return for a year.
4-Let him leave in free agency.

Any of the top three buy with 2013 in mind. The Twins can't let option 4 occur even if the return seems too low.

I agreed with this whole post except for one little detail. Your option 3 would actually be buying for 2013 if he signed, or 20XX with the draft picks (depending on the pick).

If you think of selling now as buying for the future, it doesn't sound so bad. So, as everyone has pointed out already, there is no way the Twins should try and trade to be better this season. As well as the Twins have been playing recently, they haven't reduced how many games they are behind in the division. I say build for next year with whatever trade chips you have, but keep some of the big pieces (Like Span, Willingham, even Morneau) unless you are blown away from an offer. I have a feeling that TR has very similar feelings on this issue.