Thread: Article: Mauer Elected and "Fans" Revolt

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Agreed - Booing Mauer is ridiculous - for the most part, it shows just how much these "fans" really know about their team, and its' individual players. But I really do think that a part of their frustration with Joe, is the perception that he doesn't get the hits when they really need them - with RISP, he grounds to second - with no one on and two out - he doubles to left. This may have happened only a handful of times, but when the game is "on the line" and their golden boy comes to the plate, the expectations for Mauer are far and above the expectations for anyone else on the team. Now I know, the argument that is usually put forth is that no one else makes the salary that Mauer makes, so the expectations should be higher for him than any of the others. Mauer's current stats - OBP = .404; SLG = .445; OPS = .859 - I mean, these stats do not lie! Thing is - he's not a HR guy - probably never will be, but he is one of the best!

I can't believe how many people want to sit there and rip on Mauer, he's produced this year and has played in as many games as any other player on the roster. I agree with those who think that Willingham got snubbed, but at the end of the day, that's more a result of him being on a bad team than it is a rejection of what he's done as a Twin. Lay off Mauer people, he's been worth every penny of his $23M this year.

We got 99 problems but Joe ain't one.

absolutely love this post. Glad some fans actually get it. I feel like the ones that are complaining are the ones that only paid attention to the headlines last year and have been too lazy to actually watch some games this year or look up the stat leaders for this year. either that, or they are just flat out stupid.

I agree 100%. I was listening to a certain local "sports" radio show this morning, and they were adding fuel to the fire. There are a lot folks here who can't seem to get that HR's are not everything. Willingham has been a nice addition, but Mauer is the clear choice.

You've got people who need a reason to feel like they're more important because they don't like themselves very much (similar to racism). And then you've got sheep.

Uproar...dont think so. Think AJ deserves it over Mauer & Willingham over Adam Dunn, thats fine....but not an uproar

Originally Posted by Adam Krueger

I can't believe how many people want to sit there and rip on Mauer, he's produced this year and has played in as many games as any other player on the roster. I agree with those who think that Willingham got snubbed, but at the end of the day, that's more a result of him being on a bad team than it is a rejection of what he's done as a Twin. Lay off Mauer people, he's been worth every penny of his $23M this year.

He's been very good this year and deserved the AS nod over Willy, but he hasn't been anywhere close to being worth every penny of $23M. Even if he was a full time catcher, his numbers are probably worth in the $18M range...and he's not a full time catcher.

The fans on Social Media make up a VERY SMALL Percentage of the the Twins Fan base. They do not speak for the majority of Twins Fans.

Dave St. Peter should know better than to engage Twins fans on Twitter like that.

I'm getting really tired of the money argument for Mauer. It's just an easy out for the booers. When a guy of that caliber comes along you almost never get the value of the long term deal that you put into it. Though, if you don't put that kind of money on the table he's likely to walk and there's no way a guy like Mauer takes on a series of 2 year contracts with the Twins for a career. Only a small percentage of $100 million plus contracts end up actually being "worth" it - particularly in the final years of those contracts. This is why I think long-term deals are not very smart from the standpoint of the front office, no matter what the caliber of player. The Twins did what they did - the money's spent. Just enjoy watching one of the better catchers in the game for the next few years and boo the starting pitching as a whole instead - that's a far more troublesome area for the Twins at this point.

As a Mauer fan....ive come to realize he wont hit 28HRs again but i want more doubles.
In 2009, many claim his HRs came from left field in Dome & that was true of many of his 16 dome homers. This isnt happening at Target Field & is the common HR excuse.
He also hit 12 road homers......what happenned to that power?
23m isnt the reason i get upset with him ..... its the ISO power numbers....mix in a double

He is not worth 23 million. Nobody is. Look at the contracts around the league. Fielder? Puljols? A-Rod? Granted, those are only the ones that are struggling but even for those players who are not, they are not worth it. Let that go; it’s a necessary evil. He fills the stadium and his name sells tons of stuff. That is business but let’s just talk stats.

He has played half the games at Catcher and has only missed a handful of starts in total. As the others calm down and he quietly moves along, he will overtake the #1 spot in batting average. His OBP is the best in the AL. His OPS is slowly creeping up towards 900. He batted nearly .400 in June. With runners in scoring position his avg is approx. .350. Nevermind that he sees 4.3 pitches per PA. If a pitcher tops out at 100 pitches, Mauer will see between 17.5 and 21.5 of those pitches. That is huge. He wore Chapman down to a nub which allowed Willingham to feast.

I miss his homeruns. I would be lying if I did not admit that but we need to appreciate what he brings. Mauer is awesome and we are very fortunate that he is on our team.

Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz

As a Mauer fan....ive come to realize he wont hit 28HRs again but i want more doubles.
In 2009, many claim his HRs came from left field in Dome & that was true of many of his 16 dome homers. This isnt happening at Target Field & is the common HR excuse.
He also hit 12 road homers......what happenned to that power?
23m isnt the reason i get upset with him ..... its the ISO power numbers....mix in a double

Mix in a double? He's on pace for 35 doubles this year which would be his second highest (career high of 42). He's not only hitting singles here. Not that far below his career SLG or OPS either, even counting his MVP year.

How to tell if you are a true baseball fan:

Do you:
A. Boo Mauer
B. Don't Boo Mauer.

If you answered B congrats, you are a real baseball fan.

If you answered A, then I plead that you consider never breeding.

Originally Posted by SRP

He is not worth 23 million. Nobody is. Look at the contracts around the league. Fielder? Puljols? A-Rod? Granted, those are only the ones that are struggling but even for those players who are not, they are not worth it. Let that go; it’s a necessary evil. He fills the stadium and his name sells tons of stuff. That is business but let’s just talk stats.

He has played half the games at Catcher and has only missed a handful of starts in total. As the others calm down and he quietly moves along, he will overtake the #1 spot in batting average. His OBP is the best in the AL. His OPS is slowly creeping up towards 900. He batted nearly .400 in June. With runners in scoring position his avg is approx. .350. Nevermind that he sees 4.3 pitches per PA. If a pitcher tops out at 100 pitches, Mauer will see between 17.5 and 21.5 of those pitches. That is huge. He wore Chapman down to a nub which allowed Willingham to feast.

I miss his homeruns. I would be lying if I did not admit that but we need to appreciate what he brings. Mauer is awesome and we are very fortunate that he is on our team.

Great post. The entire thing. Wish more people would just sit back and appreciate how special of a player Mauer is and feel fortunate he is on the team instead of judging him under a microscope for the contract he has.

Originally Posted by Crotalo

He's been very good this year and deserved the AS nod over Willy, but he hasn't been anywhere close to being worth every penny of $23M. Even if he was a full time catcher, his numbers are probably worth in the $18M range...and he's not a full time catcher.

No athlete is worth 23 million a year. Period

Originally Posted by jessellsworth

No athlete is worth 23 million a year. Period

Just like no CEO is worth 200 million, Zuckerberg isn't worth 2 billion or whatever etc etc etc, this type of thing could go on all day. Mauer got paid a fair market wage, end of story.

It's a completely separate argument and has little to nothing to do with how Mauer preforms.

"He is not worth 23 million."


To me, this statement statement is the epitome of the Maurer non-love. At best this statement is completely subjective and ignores the marketplace reality.

I happen to think Ferraris are not worth 280 grand.
And Harleys are not worth 25K.
And softball bats are not worth $350.
And $180 is too much for a baseball bat for my 11 yr old grandson.
And gas is not worth $3.30.
But in the end I buy some of this stuff. Begrudgingly, but with an understanding of the market reality.