06-28-2012, 01:00 AM #21
06-28-2012, 01:02 AM #22
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06-28-2012, 01:12 AM #24
Again, another person poo-pooing a minor adjustment of some x number of wins (even .x . . . ) in order to defend the status quo. Swarzak is NOT a major league pitcher and it is rather alarming that people think he is.
06-28-2012, 01:21 AM #25
Let's add 'em up here (and it is clear that this doesn't belong in this thread):
1. Swarzak, Gray, and now Manship kept beyond serviceability.
2. Chris Parmelee wasted on the MLB bench for some completely absurd reason.
3. Ben Revere not on the 25 man roster from the beginning (perhaps his AAA time helped him?).
4. Drew Butera vs. any other AAAA catchers.
5. Matt Carson instead of Mastro.
6. Slama--not injured if called up
7. Morneau not facing lefties.
These things add up. This isn't addressing the SP issue, which everyone focuses on. Ignoring other wins available is not a good idea though. But maybe I am just crazy.
06-28-2012, 01:23 AM #26
He's a second-round pick with reasonable success in the minors, he's only 26, and he's making the league minimum. Wasting energy on the argument that he should be released seems misguided considering how many players on this team have actually been terrible in their roles. Not all 12 pitchers on the staff have to be great.
06-28-2012, 01:35 AM #27
Ok, so continue to trot him out there in situations where not being terrible would be helpful. It is HILARIOUS that a Twins fan claims that "not all 12 pitchers on the staff have to be great." Does one prefer good or average over great? How about below average over great? Again, another claim that it is "all OK" in the bullpen so that 0.5 win isn't relevant.
06-28-2012, 10:18 AM #28
06-28-2012, 10:26 AM #29
If I were to make a list of the Twins Top 25 roster issues, Anthony Swarzak would be wayyyy down the list. He's been solid in his multiple roles the last couple of years.
06-28-2012, 10:28 AM #30
06-28-2012, 11:32 AM #31
Swarzak isn't the point of this thread, but I have no problem with his performance this year (or last year). He's valuable as a mop-up guy and occasional spot starter. He doesn't strike out many, and he can get hit hard, but he throws strikes. He may not have a future in the rotation, but that doesn't mean I want him off the team, either.
Manship just hasn't shown anything to warrant an opportunity to stay in the bigs. Despite having an awesome last name (and only 6 starts in the majors), he's been nothing short of awful. I can't even point to a good Jeff Manship "moment" in any of the four seasons he's pitched, and he's 27 now. 4 home runs in 10 innings pitched is worse than some Home Run Derby pitchers...
06-28-2012, 11:56 AM #32
Let's see if I can summarize this. Most bullpens, but particularly the Twins' bullpen need a long man that can pitch multiple innings, might be called on to pitch a lot in a short time and then not pitch for a week. The Twins have Swarzak for that role and he has been pretty good for that. Manship profiles as another long man and he has not shown that he has the ability to pitch a lot in a short period of time, nor has he shown the ability to get big league hitters out in any role. Waldrop will not be a long man, but will join Burnett as a righthanded middle reliever/setup guy who mostly will pitch one inning three or four times a week with varying amounts of leverage.
06-28-2012, 03:25 PM #33
The only reason Swarzak provides value to the team is because it seems absolutely no one else is capable of doing long relief on this roster. It's pretty frustrating to watch pitchers like Manship and Gray struggle because from a fan's perspective it shouldn't be difficult. It's not because he's a good pitcher and shanewahl has given plenty of explanations above. I really only scratch the surface analytically with Swarzak because his ERA has been consistently in the high fours for a few years and that is below average.
06-28-2012, 03:32 PM #34
This year he has a 8.35 ERA as a starter (4 games/18IP, WHIP=1.855) and a 2.95 ERA as a reliever (18 games/36IP, WHIP+1.064).
He has very good value as a guy who can throw 2-3 innings at a shot.
Last edited by SweetOne69; 06-28-2012 at 03:36 PM.
06-28-2012, 03:56 PM #35
14 IP in AAA, 5K, 5BB. There have GOT to be better options. Space on this 40 man is not that valuable.
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