06-11-2012, 04:48 PM #21
Its also worth remembering Plouffe was a good enough infielder to remain a SS until he got to the big leagues. Thinking he might eventually be a plus third baseman isn't unrealistic either. His problems defensively were largely related to throwing accuracy, which can sometimes be cured. You can't teach arm strength, you sometimes can teach mechanics and footwork.
06-11-2012, 05:10 PM #22
I think that it is too early to determine what type of player Plouffe would be based on 508 MLB appearances (that's less than a full season's worth). One fun thing is that at this point, Plouffe has higher OPS+ (110 vs 107) and has hit more HRs (9 vs 7) than a former Twins' IF, turned OF, turned jack of all trades and master of none, turned Rockie...-----
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06-11-2012, 08:06 PM #27
I like Plouffe, but he's no short stop.
Also, he has more value as a player to hold onto than a player to move right now.
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06-13-2012, 08:38 AM #30
I haven't been much of a Plouffe fan since not long after he was drafted. But at this point, the Twins have no better options and the guy is raking. Over at BYTO, I raised the question whether his career arc could be comped to a slightly younger version of Garrett Jones (the key difference being that Jones can actually hit righties, a more valuable commodity than hitting lefties). I'm still incredibly skeptical of Plouffe's ability to hit at an above-average level for a prolonged period of time but the Twins literally have nothing to lose by throwing him out there on a daily basis. Guys who can't hit righties don't make for very valuable players in the long run. If Plouffe is going to make it as a hitter, he's going to have to figure out how to hit RH pitchers at an acceptable level (which he is doing now but I doubt his current level of play is sustainable).
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06-13-2012, 09:03 AM #31
Rob Deer's 162 game average:
633 PA, 544 AB, 120 hits, 21 doubles, 2 triples, 32 homers, 81 BB, 198K, .220/.324/.442
577 PA, 519 AB, 118 hits, 29 doubles, 1 triple, 23 homers, 45 BB, 127K, .228/.293/.419
Once his current pace settles a bit, the above numbers are going to be more in line with what to expect with slightly better average and few walks.
06-13-2012, 09:45 AM #32
PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OB SLG OPS
162 655 566 91 134 28 2 35 96 10 4 77 216 .237 .332 .478 .811 162 577 519 84 118 29 1 23 64 3 5 45 127 .228 .293 .419 .711 162 647 557 85 153 37 2 20 83 12 6 75 130 .275 .367 .458 .825
Corey Koskie (just to throw in the recent Twins 3B paragon)
Analysis: Small sample size to project real 162 numbers, but Plouffe's career 162 projects to mirror the power number of Koskie (HR, RBI, SLG), while only projecting a BA and OB% like Mark Reynolds or Rob Deer. Not so good. Koskie was, well, good.... and we miss his production and defense dearly.
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06-13-2012, 09:46 AM #33
Do you honestly expect Plouffe to do that? Trevor's OBP was roughly .060 points higher than his BA in the minors and it's a lot easier to draw a walk down there than it is in the majors.
Besides, using straight avg/2b/hr stat lines on guys who played 30 years apart is nearly useless. You should be looking more at adjusted lines than straight stats.
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06-13-2012, 12:17 PM #34
I watched Rob Deer growing up in Detroit. I just looked it up, and Deer hit .217 in Double-A and .227 in Triple-A in the two seasons before his callup. In other words, he was always that type of hitter. There were points in those seasons I remember he had more HR's than singles!
Plouffe was in Triple-A from 2008-11 and while his BA wasn't good (.262), neither were his strikeout rates so absurdly bad that he should be compared to guys like Deer, Reynolds, or Chris Davis. Plouffe also doesn't have the raw power of those guys. But I think he has bulked up, and the guy who mentioned Joe Crede above (Crede from the mid-2000's, not the year we had him) was dead on. Crede also did not strike out at an absurdly high rate. But I would absolutely take that type of hitter, given how little hope we had for Plouffe coming into the year.
06-13-2012, 12:38 PM #35
Michael Cuddyer, but with more power and more defensive value.
That is to say, I think Plouffe will put up a better BA and OBP than many are giving him credit for.
06-14-2012, 10:24 AM #36
Trevor plouffes best comp is that of brian buscher and brendan harris, he is like the best of both worlds.
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06-14-2012, 11:21 AM #39
Every time I see a picture of Buchanan, I expect the picture to yell "HODOR!" back at me.
Bonus points if Trevor could also run routes like Jason Tyner.
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