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#1 Willihammer

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:43 PM

1. Tim Hudson
2. Jason Vargas
3. Scott Kazmir
4. Mike Pelfrey?

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:48 PM

1. Tim Hudson
2. Jason Vargas
3. Scott Kazmir
4. Mike Pelfrey?


um why? of the 4, I could see Hudson.The other 3 are not worth 14.1 million a year.
but thats just me

#3 old nurse

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:36 PM

That none of the pitchers signed even came close to a 14 million a year contract should be reason enough not to think they should have.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:47 PM

um why? of the 4, I could see Hudson.The other 3 are not worth 14.1 million a year.
but thats just me


OK Vargas maybe doesn't belong, but I think the other 3 do, and could add Colon and Arroyo too.

Its only an overpay in AAV. All these guys so far have signed for multiple years though, so the QO is an underpay in that respect.

If the Twins want to bring back Pelfrey now, they're going to have to guarantee 2, and maybe 3 (or 4?) years.

So a few extra mil up front seems like a small price to pay for the insurance against losing talented guys and keeping some flexibility in the long term. JMO

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:39 PM

$14MM for Pelfrey?? Yikes!! I expect Garza's annual salary over the (expected) 4-6 year life-of-contract won't be much more than $14MM. Perhaps the Twins still think there is a decent chance to sign him. I fully expect that Pelfrey signs a contract (with some other team) for considerably less than $14MM.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:07 PM

OK Vargas maybe doesn't belong, but I think the other 3 do, and could add Colon and Arroyo too.

Its only an overpay in AAV. All these guys so far have signed for multiple years though, so the QO is an underpay in that respect.

If the Twins want to bring back Pelfrey now, they're going to have to guarantee 2, and maybe 3 (or 4?) years.

So a few extra mil up front seems like a small price to pay for the insurance against losing talented guys and keeping some flexibility in the long term. JMO


How is paying a guy 14 million for one season an underpay when the next year you do not have the player or would have to extend another qualifying offer? The second stretch in logic is that the the teams wanted the players at a higher salary to begin with. You may view it as a mistake, but what is the bassis for that kind of salaries for these players. There is none.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:17 PM

Pelfrey will get around $14m for two years. He'd take a QO in a heartbeat so why offer it? You can get his services for two years at that price if you want him around that badly.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:32 PM

I was thinking more like two years, $12 million for Pelfrey.
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:36 PM

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:46 PM

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I feel like I'm being trolled.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:00 PM

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Uh... Scott Kazmir got that deal and he's, like, good and stuff.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

I feel like I'm being trolled.

This.

#13 biggentleben

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:02 PM

Hudson wouldn't get a qualifying offer from the Braves. Simply doesn't fit into the organization's financial structure for 2014 to pay him $14M. Sad, but to an organization once bitten by offering arbitration to a free agent, offering it to a free agent that they couldn't afford to accept was not in the cards.
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:49 PM

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If I bid 23 quatloos for the 2 years of this thrall's services, do I win?

Edited by ashburyjohn, 02 December 2013 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:50 PM

None of the above where worth a Qualifying Offer. All would have accepted in a heartbeat. Maybe the Twins are still in on Garza, but am guessing Pelfrey if they sign another pitcher.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:37 AM

New math? One year of a contract at a bloated value is cheaper for a team than a 2 year contract. After you would have paid Kazmir 14 million for one year versus 22 over 2, what do you do the second year. Over the same time period to retain services of the player you will pay far more.