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#1 Brad Swanson

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:44 PM

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:47 PM

Carlos Gomez seemed like the kind of guy who might round the bases the wrong way, if you just let him do his thing.


Brilliant.

#3 SpitefulRabbit617

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:03 AM

When Johan signs back with us after the Mets drop him, he'll still beat out Guerra in getting (back) to the show. Trippy huh?

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:28 AM

When Johan signs back with us after the Mets drop him, he'll still beat out Guerra in getting (back) to the show. Trippy huh?


I would be ok with this.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 08:12 AM

Johan wanted to be sent to a team that might increase his endorsement value, so it was basically either coast. Plus, the teamaahd to be in a position to payout nearly $150 million in long-term salary.

The Twins did what they usually do, offer $90 million or so over 5 years (including the current season, I believe).

We first heard about interest from the Red Sox. The Red Sox didn't want to aprt with Ellesbury. I think one offer was Lester, Coco Crisp, Masterson, Lowie and Bowden. Now that would've been a nice package. Except the Twins were looking at Lester being too expensive and CoCo not being the centerfielder of their dreams (although they did have Span in the chute).

There were rumors that the Red Sox would part with Ellsbury, but the Twins wanted Bucholz or someone of that ilk in the deal, along with prospects.

The Yankees offered with Hughes and Melky and a couple of prospects. The Twins wanted Kennedy thrown in as one of the prospects. Hughes was acting like Prior or any number of other guys who felt that going to the Midwest was sealing his death.

I think the Yankees and Red Sox were just jostling the Twins, hoping one or the other would make a mistake and trade the wrong set of players for Johan.

It is my understanding that the Twins originally wanted Pelfry and hot low minor league outfielder (Rodriguez or someone, who ended up with the Astros and flamed out). Instead they got Humber who was basically out of options, Gomez, who needed another season in the minors (really, yes), Mulvey and Guerra (who stillaahs hope, little hope, but hope).

Of course, if the Twins had let Gomez stay in the minors and Pelfry had been a part of the original deal...maybe it would look a little better. The Twins got fleeced. And what did they spend the savings of $20-25 million a year on is the bigger question.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:32 AM

Mets third baseman David Wright was ecstatic about Santana possibly joining the team "If it's true, obviously, you're getting arguably the best pitcher in the game," Wright said, according to AP.

Is it possible that Bill Smith made this trade entirely with the focus on making David Wright happy?


I LOL'd.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:28 PM

If the Twins were making the choice between the hypotheticals in the summary, it would come down to how highly regarded the sidewalk chalk was by the Twins scouting department. Only statheads would worry about whether the numbers added up.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:08 AM

I know it was Billy Smith in charge of the trade, but did anyone really believe they turned down Kershaw and Kemp?

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:06 AM

I know it was Billy Smith in charge of the trade, but did anyone really believe they turned down Kershaw and Kemp?

No...it was Kershaw, Kemp, and Loney. Smith would've had to throw in Duensing.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:26 AM

I know it was Billy Smith in charge of the trade, but did anyone really believe they turned down Kershaw and Kemp?


Kershaw/Kemp was speculated, but Santana had a no trade and said he wanted to go to the east coast. The Dodgers were never an option.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:33 AM

Johan wanted to be sent to a team that might increase his endorsement value, so it was basically either coast. Plus, the teamaahd to be in a position to payout nearly $150 million in long-term salary.

The Twins did what they usually do, offer $90 million or so over 5 years (including the current season, I believe).

We first heard about interest from the Red Sox. The Red Sox didn't want to aprt with Ellesbury. I think one offer was Lester, Coco Crisp, Masterson, Lowie and Bowden. Now that would've been a nice package. Except the Twins were looking at Lester being too expensive and CoCo not being the centerfielder of their dreams (although they did have Span in the chute).

There were rumors that the Red Sox would part with Ellsbury, but the Twins wanted Bucholz or someone of that ilk in the deal, along with prospects.

The Yankees offered with Hughes and Melky and a couple of prospects. The Twins wanted Kennedy thrown in as one of the prospects. Hughes was acting like Prior or any number of other guys who felt that going to the Midwest was sealing his death.

I think the Yankees and Red Sox were just jostling the Twins, hoping one or the other would make a mistake and trade the wrong set of players for Johan.

It is my understanding that the Twins originally wanted Pelfry and hot low minor league outfielder (Rodriguez or someone, who ended up with the Astros and flamed out). Instead they got Humber who was basically out of options, Gomez, who needed another season in the minors (really, yes), Mulvey and Guerra (who stillaahs hope, little hope, but hope).

Of course, if the Twins had let Gomez stay in the minors and Pelfry had been a part of the original deal...maybe it would look a little better. The Twins got fleeced. And what did they spend the savings of $20-25 million a year on is the bigger question.


From what I remember reading, there was question whether or not the Red Sox even had an offer on the table and that this was a rumor to drive up the Yankee's price. We tend to forget that when we talk about this trade. IF that package was actually available, then the Twins messed up big time. The word though is if.