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Posted 28 March 2012 - 06:58 PM
I think he'll end up with 2,800 or so MLB hits. For me, that puts him in.
It'll be curious, though, because I don't think he'll go in on the first ballot. Some of those voters -- the old codgers -- won't even consider anything he did in Japan, even the fact that it resulted in a later MLB debut.
I bet he'll go in the second or third year of eligibility, though.
Mr. Twins Fans From Afar. You are right about the fact that his overseas stats won't count with the "Old Codgers" (nice old school term!). Maybe they shouldn't? I think Ichiro will be a first ballot HOFer, but 2nd or 3rd ballot is not too bad. I am still perplexed by the 3rd ballot induction of Ryne Sandberg... I am not a Cub's Fan, but that one still unsettles me to this day. Oh well, it all worked out.
Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:31 PM
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:29 PM
I'd like to see how he ranks among other outfielders who are in the Hall before I form an opinion. I think that the only comparable style outfielder (high OBP, lower SLG) is Tony Gwynn and his numbers are much better than Ichiro's. And, yes, position matters. Were he a second baseman, it would had been easier, but as an outfielder? Not sure really...
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 09:42 PM
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:00 AM
Ichiro seems to have opened up a new door in baseball with the Japan market--and that is still getting wider. His bridging the two styles of play so well cant be put into numbers (though I'm sure some sabermetrics mind has already done it) and for me, thats enough to put him in first ballot. There is a snobbish, or maybe purist-minded prejudice against the Japan baseball world from our American perspective--and certainly it isnt so hostile as the blatant racism-feuled prejudice of the Negro leauges, but Ichiro's part in connecting Japan and American baseball cannot be overstated in my mind.
Success Stories: Ichiro, H. Matsui, Nomo, Sasaki & Kuroda. Zach, sabremetrics will probably not be able to define Ichiro as we see he should be defined, but he is great none-the-less. In my mind, heart, and moral system I feel racism in the game of baseball has been, for the most part erradicated. Let us not forget about Jackie Robinson's struggles for equality, against racism and the hardships he had to endure. He opened the door for many and paid a great price for his sacrifice. When I hear the name of Jackie Robinson mentioned I do not equate that to baseball, but equate that name to the fight for civil rights, pride, honor, and to be treated like a human being. Sorry for my rant, Ichiro is a HOFer... hands down... no doubt.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:13 AM
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:10 AM
If he starts getting 200+ hits again and play until he's 40, then maybe. I wouldn't say that 3,000 hits is a given though. He showed some signs of slowing down last year. I mean, he could only get 184 hits last year...
Also, he isn't retiring anytime that soon. 3,000 hit is going to happen.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:21 AM
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:37 PM
Yes he will go in, if only to get some Japanese tourists to visit Cooperstown. But cynicism aside he also belongs. Question who playing today is a lock? Mariano, Jeter are tow that jump at me. Chipper and Ichiro should be. Albert. Those come off the top of my head.
The the active players you mentioned - Mariano, Jeter, Chipper, Ichiro, Pujols are a lock. Maybe Halladay? There will be a few from this era, but it is too early to speculate who that might be.
Posted 30 March 2012 - 12:54 AM