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#1 edavis0308

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

Oof. At least we have Mauer..

Offseason report card: Twins - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN

Outside of the Astros, the Twins may have the least talented 25-man roster in the major leagues ... and that's with two former MVPs on it.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Ugh. I can't even think about this offseason without getting angry anymore.

There's. Just. No. Reason. For. This. To. Happen.

Marcum or Saunders and a middle(ing) infielder and we're all happy as clams. Instead, we want to spend April drinking ourselves to death.

#3 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

So yeah, it's not just some of us that are pretty down about this squad.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

I don't get his dislike for Parm (offense wise), but I guess he needs to show more at the major league level. Calling Morneau a platoon player is a bit over the top too. Id like to see him play healthy and not rely on the past few years of his post concussion shell of his former self.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

But but Terry said........
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

I don't get his dislike for Parm (offense wise), but I guess he needs to show more at the major league level. Calling Morneau a platoon player is a bit over the top too.


Those two things stood out to me as well. He crapped on Parmalee's offense while offering no justification. The Morneau remark I can understand (a bit), an outsider looking at the splits wouldn't necessarily see his dramatic improvement over the course of the season against lefties.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

i think Mr. Schoenfield pretty much hit the nail on the head with his overall grade of "D" for our twinkies

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

Those two things stood out to me as well. He crapped on Parmalee's offense while offering no justification. The Morneau remark I can understand (a bit), an outsider looking at the splits wouldn't necessarily see his dramatic improvement over the course of the season against lefties.



Is there anywhere to track his monthly averages against lefties? I couldn't figure out a way to do it on either FG's or BR.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

'Remember ... the Twins' pitching was bad a year ago with Span and Revere out there regularly. I shudder to think what could happen this year.'

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

Oof. At least we have Mauer..

Offseason report card: Twins - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN


Schoenfeld assigned the letter grade of "D" for the Twins offseason activity- when so much more could have been done with just the hint of an organizational pulse showing signs of life- this is simply unacceptable. In point of fact, you generally cannot transfer a "D" grade on a course for credit when transferring to another university- so it in reality represents a FAIL on the part of an organization so recently injected with a beautiful, revenue-stream paying ball-park, and a club still replete with 2 former MVPs still near the prime of their careers.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:59 PM

This "depressing" quote was widely known and teeth-clenchingly accepted by Twins fans:

[QUOTE]Aside from those trades, it was basically a bunch of depressing moves like hoping on rehab guys such as Pelfrey, who wasn't that good when healthy, and Harden, who is never healthy anyway. And as it was pointed out to me on Twitter, they gave Pelfrey, coming off Tommy John surgery, as much as the Mets gave Shaun Marcum, a guy with a 3.62 ERA over the past three seasons.

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But this I had forgotten about, and is laughingstock-worthy:

[QUOTE]Heck, they even signed Scott Elarton, who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2008, had a 5.41 ERA in Triple-A with the Phillies and basically had two decent seasons in the majors back in 2000 and 2001. The point isn't that Elarton is going to pitch for the Twins, but that their minor league system is so devoid of anybody resembling a major league pitcher that the front office felt compelled to sign a guy who hasn't been good in over a decade.[/QUOTE]

After erroneously downplaying Parmelee's potential upside, and then "shuddering" about an OF now devoid of one proven outfielder- leading to utter pitching disaster, Schoenfeld throws Twins fans a "lifeline bone" of positivity:

[QUOTE] Let's be nice here: These guys are placeholders. Even Scott Diamond, who pitched so well as a rookie (12-9, 3.54 ERA), is likely ripe for a sophomore slump unless he improves his strikeout rate that ranked 85th among 88 qualified starters. No. 86? Kevin Correia, one of the players the Twins signed in the offseason. ][/QUOTE]

Remember 2012? Good times....

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:06 PM

Is there anywhere to track his monthly averages against lefties? I couldn't figure out a way to do it on either FG's or BR.


Not that I'm aware of.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

Schoenfield really piled on when he said that only the $23 million-dollar Astros roster is between the Twins and the bottom of the talent pile, He's right but still. A decent human being doesn't tell the sweet fat girl she looks terrible in her prom dress. A decent human being tells her that her hair looks really nice.

I guess Schoenfield should get some credit for the D- grade for the pitching staff. That was a social-promotion passing grade if I ever saw one. Move on to 2014 Twins pitchers - you are the new teacher's problem now.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:58 PM

A brutal honest take on what the Twins, did or didn't do, but there's a reason you play the game:)
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

A "D"? Whatever, they're a "D+" easily.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

Reading that article was like jumping in the frozen lake after a session in the sauna. I was looking for the 90+ wins category on the SN vote--but I couldn't find it.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

I don't think the author spent much time looking at the Twins when said to make Perkins a starter. I will grant the negative people out there that there is not much there to look at with the Twins. Likewise to the rose colored glasses fans, Pelfrey wasn't a bad pitcher, Hendricks and Dozier have a litlle promise. If you think you have to drink to watch the Twins, go hng out in Elliott Park with your new friends.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:53 PM

I don't think the author spent much time looking at the Twins when said to make Perkins a starter..


^^^ that

I doubt that Schoenfield watched more than 3 Twins' major league games in 2012 or any Twins' MiLB games to be able to talk about the "talent level" of the organization, including this gem:

but that their minor league system is so devoid of anybody resembling a major league pitcher


Yes, again, Ryan has been his spendthrift self as far as P FAs go, plus the Twins signed a whole lot of over the hill MiLB FAs, like they do evey season, but this does not mean that the Twins do not have enough talent in their minors as far starters who can contribute in 2013 go.

I really take what most National writer types say, with a huge grain of salt, unless I know that they actually know the team they are talking about.

This off-season was kinda disappointing, but for the wrong reasons (namely the Twins did not blow the whole thing up and went for a rebuild and did the half-rear end thing again; and not because they did not sign Bourne and Greinke and the such...)
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

Marcum or Saunders and a middle(ing) infielder and we're all happy as clams.


I would speak for yourself on this one. Two marginal upgrades and everyone here would be happy? Do you read the majority of postings?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

I would speak for yourself on this one. Two marginal upgrades and everyone here would be happy? Do you read the majority of postings?


Speak for yourself on that one.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

I would speak for yourself on this one. Two marginal upgrades and everyone here would be happy? Do you read the majority of postings?


I'm not sure how happy a clam can get, but I know that if they'd bothered to addressing both of those areas- with Marcum and a real major league Shortstop- my Twins happy meter would have gone off the hook.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

Calling Marcum a marginal upgrade is marginalizing his upgradiness.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:25 PM

I would speak for yourself on this one. Two marginal upgrades and everyone here would be happy? Do you read the majority of postings?


---Saunders or Marcum would have been more than marginal upgrades to the rotation. Let's not forget how truly godawful our starting pitching was. An average starter is a lot better than most of what we saw last year.

And an average shortstop would probably give us a lot more than Florimon will.

I don't know about "happy as clams", but a little more help would have made me a lot happier than I am now.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

Agree with the people who felt the observations were shallow. Twins are going through rebuild without calling it rebuild. This year could be bad, but better times are coming hopefully next year.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:31 PM

This is Mnnesota, not New England. The proper term is "happy as a pig in slop."

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

Schoenfeld assigned the letter grade of "D" for the Twins offseason activity- when so much more could have been done with just the hint of an organizational pulse showing signs of life- this is simply unacceptable. In point of fact, you generally cannot transfer a "D" grade on a course for credit when transferring to another university- so it in reality represents a FAIL on the part of an organization so recently injected with a beautiful, revenue-stream paying ball-park, and a club still replete with 2 former MVPs still near the prime of their careers.


Mr.Ryan acomplished just what he wanted to do....

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:47 PM

A "D"? Whatever, they're a "D+" easily.


D- easy

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:49 PM

I'm not sure how happy a clam can get, but I know that if they'd bothered to addressing both of those areas- with Marcum and a real major league Shortstop- my Twins happy meter would have gone off the hook.


I remember the offseason before the 2010 season, when we got Hudson and traded for Hardy, I was booming happy. It really doesn't take much to make some of us happy...the FO has conditioned us to expect offseasons like this one, so when offseasons like the one before the 2010 season happened, it was like XMas!

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:12 PM

I'll just chime in to say I'd have been happy with Marcum + Saunders

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

I guess some can be happy with mediocrity. One really useful FA signing rather than a bunch of "arms" would make far more sense to me. I wouldn't have been "happy" but would have pleased that management was going to try to address systemic problems while making some improvement for the 2013 team. I miss Span, but disagree about retaining him because he has "three years of value-service remaining". That feature was likely essential to obtain Meyer in the first place. It is time to see what the other CFers have rather than to continue with Span (and Revere). The "consensus opinion" (whatever) is that the franchise has better OF options than those two and can improve the team by replacing Span and Revere--so to me trading them made sense for both the long term and the short term.
Trade Willingham this off-season? (Add Morneau to this discussion). I counter for what? I would continue that couldn't the same return (or even better) be obtained by waiting? Since I don't know what was offered (for either) I couldn't form an opinion--but I would hate to see Wllingham traded for 1 high-upside, Class A pitcher and then watch the Twins sign Kevein Correia-type OF to replace Willingham until the MiL affliates produced his replacement. The 2013 team will be bad enough with Willingham, replacing him with a placeholder (and a pitching prospect) would be disastrous.