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#1 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:15 AM

I am currently blogging about this and other things and should be done by tomorrow, but here is some of that:

Given how Terry Ryan has gone on to approach the starting rotation for next year, it is apparent that there is no need whatsoever to rush prospects like Hicks and Arcia at all before June 1st, for control reasons, and perhaps later for development reasons. This means an OF of Willingham-Mastroianni-Parmelee. There is an obvious question surrounding who the 4th OF is in this situation. While I think Chris Herrmann should be on the roster as a backup catcher and 5th OF, I also think that the Twins need not look outside the organization to find their 4th outfielder. Wilkin Ramirez quietly had a good year at AAA last year and has past experience in CF, so he could cover all three OF positions. His .767 OPS at AAA with 15 homers in 396 plate appearances is nothing to disregard. He is Mastro with less speed but more power. There is no reason to waste further money and this would allow for Hicks and Arcia to develop.

And honestly, this would mean no return of Clete Thomas or a Komatsu clone. Outside of the starting rotation collapse at the beginning of last season, we seem to have forgotten how bad RF was for awhile too.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

[h=2]Brandon Boggs,[/h]

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:21 AM

There are a few options that would cost a million or less, Johnny Damon, Nyler Morgan, or Scott Posednick. While I wouldn't want them to be anything more than backup, I wouldn't mind them starting long enough to extend Hicks and/or Arcia's service time another season.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:27 AM

I am currently blogging about this and other things and should be done by tomorrow, but here is some of that:

Given how Terry Ryan has gone on to approach the starting rotation for next year, it is apparent that there is no need whatsoever to rush prospects like Hicks and Arcia at all before June 1st, for control reasons, and perhaps later for development reasons. This means an OF of Willingham-Mastroianni-Parmelee. There is an obvious question surrounding who the 4th OF is in this situation. While I think Chris Herrmann should be on the roster as a backup catcher and 5th OF, I also think that the Twins need not look outside the organization to find their 4th outfielder. Wilkin Ramirez quietly had a good year at AAA last year and has past experience in CF, so he could cover all three OF positions. His .767 OPS at AAA with 15 homers in 396 plate appearances is nothing to disregard. He is Mastro with less speed but more power. There is no reason to waste further money and this would allow for Hicks and Arcia to develop.

And honestly, this would mean no return of Clete Thomas or a Komatsu clone. Outside of the starting rotation collapse at the beginning of last season, we seem to have forgotten how bad RF was for awhile too.



Are you aware that the Twins did recently sign Clete Thomas to a minor league contract?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:47 AM

I agree 100% on waiting to bring either of them up until after the projected Super 2 date. However, if the Twins don't bring anyone in, my worry would be about what the Twins would be left with if someone got dinged up or injured. I wouldn't mind seeing them try to grab either an old vet like someone mentioned or try to grab a 4th OF off waivers just before or during ST (a la Mastroianni). I don't see what it would hurt.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:02 AM

Juan Linares Baaastons #17 prospect , would be a nice inexpensive piece to add into the mix and maybe a future trading chip
He is 28 yr old cuban defector ,who player AA and AAA last year ,mostly right field ,but can play all 3 positions. I think Ryan and many
are counting to heavely on Parmele next season ,and we need some kind of insurance if he doest live up to expectations

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:16 AM

1. Here is to hoping that Benson Arcia and Hicks play so well this spring they can't be sent down.
2. Last year in AAA Ramirez was a better player than Thomas so I would hope that he gets another shot before Thomas

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:35 AM

Damn. I clicked into this thread hoping that the new idea for the OF would be cardboard cutouts of the 2001 versions of Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, and Matt Lawton.

#9 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:36 AM

Damn. I clicked into this thread hoping that the new idea for the OF would be cardboard cutouts of the 2001 versions of Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, and Matt Lawton.


Compare the potential WAR of a cardboard cutout of any of the three to the real Clete Thomas . . .

#10 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:37 AM

Are you aware that the Twins did recently sign Clete Thomas to a minor league contract?


Yes and I just suspect that he must be below Ramirez and even Bigley in the pecking order now. Dear God.

#11 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:41 AM

If the Twins spend a dime on Morgan, Podsednik, or Damon I will throw up. First of all, Damon is a terrible 4th OF option. Second, Morgan is a total jackass. Third, Podsednik is in full freefall and would be a total waste. Ramirez still has some time to get better and be valuable until the full corps of OF prospects arrives.

#12 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

Brandon Boggs,



Yeah I guess this wasn't such a bad pickup. He put up the exact same OPS. as Ramirez last year, with less power but better OBP. Two years older than Ramirez.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:12 AM

Joe Benson will be a solid 4th Of or starting cf for 2 months till Hicks is ready & Joe slide to a RF platoon with Arcia after Justin trade

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

God forbid we sign someone with some personality (Nyjer). He'd be a very solid 4th OF.

#15 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:00 PM

God forbid we sign someone with some personality (Nyjer). He'd be a very solid 4th OF.



Think the Orlando Hudson of the OF, but worse. And he is also declining significantly.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:10 PM

We need a backup that can play centerfield. But, yes, Hermann would be the perfect third catcher to be the backup if you, say, played Benson in right and Parmelee took Justin's place at first (a position he would share, also, with Doumit and Mauer at times). This would free us up to, say, give Thome a ride as part-time DH and bench bat, if the Twins so desire, to add a bit of spark at target field. A bench of Herrmann, Benson, Carroll/Dozier/Florimon/or Escobar, Thome would be right fine by me.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:14 PM

Damn. I clicked into this thread hoping that the new idea for the OF would be cardboard cutouts of the 2001 versions of Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, and Matt Lawton.


What is the white version of the Soul Patrol called?
"Maybe you could go grab a bat and ball… and learn something. Maybe you will get it."
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

Right now, we only have Maestro who can play CF. That means Benson or Hicks will make they team (likely Benson). If Benson comes up, they'll start him to see what he can do and Maestro will be the 4th OF. Obviously Hicks, in the unlikely event they start the season with him in the Bigs, obviously will start. I can't see Benson being promoted and sitting in favor of Maestro.

Edited by ThePuck, 20 December 2012 - 01:03 PM.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:43 PM

What is the white version of the Soul Patrol called?


Skol Patrol?

#20 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Right now, we only have Maestro who can play CF. That means Benson or Hicks will make they team (likely Benson). If Benson comes up, they'll start him to see what he can do and Maestro will be the 4th OF. Obviously Hicks, in the unlikely event they start the season with him in the Bigs, obviously will start. I can't see Benson being promoted and sitting in favor of Maestro.


Both Boggs and Ramirez can be backup OF playing all three positions.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

What is the white version of the Soul Patrol called?


Minnesota.

#22 Boom Boom

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:36 PM

Minnesota.


I would have gone with Timberwolves.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

I would have gone with Timberwolves.


They're not white, they're European.
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#24 DAM DC Twins Fans

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

God forbid we sign someone with some personality (Nyjer). He'd be a very solid 4th OF.


Nats fans here (including my son) couldnt wait for Nats to Nyjer somewhere...anywhere...if we give this guy a dime...I will also throw up.
I would rather have Little Nicky Punto as my utility OF...and that is a really desperate thought.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

Damn. I clicked into this thread hoping that the new idea for the OF would be cardboard cutouts of the 2001 versions of Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, and Matt Lawton.


On the plus side, the cardboard cutouts might generate more walks then their real counterparts.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:29 PM

I speculated somewhere that TR will go out and give a CF a 1 year deal. I think it makes a ton of sense. Both Arcia and Hicks coudln't hurt to have a bit more seasoning in AAA, and Benson definitely needs it. Get a guy on for cheap and then dump him in June and call up Hicks to man center if he's performing. If Arcia and/or Benson is doing well then trade Willingham and/or Morneau for middle infield or pitching help.

#27 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:21 AM

I speculated somewhere that TR will go out and give a CF a 1 year deal. I think it makes a ton of sense. Both Arcia and Hicks coudln't hurt to have a bit more seasoning in AAA, and Benson definitely needs it. Get a guy on for cheap and then dump him in June and call up Hicks to man center if he's performing. If Arcia and/or Benson is doing well then trade Willingham and/or Morneau for middle infield or pitching help.


It makes no sense whatsoever. That's just another excuse not to spend on legitimate starting pitching. The Twins are fine with current personnel in the OF.

By the way, I accidentally hit the back arrow and lost a significant part of my blog post. So it will be done tomorrow. One damn simple misclick and 200 words . . . gone.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:52 AM

God forbid we sign someone with some personality (Nyjer). He'd be a very solid 4th OF.


You can have a personality without being a total D-bag.....

Nyjer is a doosher and would be a waste of $

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:31 AM

By the way, I accidentally hit the back arrow and lost a significant part of my blog post. So it will be done tomorrow. One damn simple misclick and 200 words . . . gone.


Right click - undo?

#30 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:08 PM

Right click - undo?


No no. It was gone. Nothing too terrible, but I haven't gotten back around to it. It was a section on the middle infield and I dreaded having to write about that one time, much less twice.