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#1 luke829

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

I may be pleasantly surprised, but I'm guessing that might be many a four-lettered word uttered.
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#2 TheLeviathan

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

I think, sadly, they have a shot with the Bears defensive issues.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:04 PM

Unless the Bears go +2 or better in the turnover battle, the Vikings win this one. I'm saying 20-17 Minnesota.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:05 AM

I think, sadly, they have a shot with the Bears defensive issues.


Unfortunately they may win. At this point, knowing they have no shot at the postseason (or more importantly doing anything in the postseason) all wins now will do is hurt their draft position and help Frazier and Musgrave keep their jobs. I have zero confidence in these two and very little in Ponder.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

I too think they could win. I do think it could get ugly, fast. But I do think it will be close, and they could win.
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#6 TheLeviathan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:27 PM

I'm done hearing about the offensive line being a problem. They ahve to get better at blitz pickup, but they are opening massive holes for Peterson and have been all year. They aren't a problem, if you've blamed them or still do....watch the games closer. This group is playing well enough to be called "good" at this point.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

This has all the makings of a "Wow, we're up 14-0!" game which transitions into a "Wait, it's late in the 4th, we're down by 10, have they really not scored since 7 minutes in?" game.

#8 TheLeviathan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

That's a TD to Wright if Ponder didn't have a noodle arm. Jesus.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

They need a mortar shot sound effect to play whenever Ponder throws over 10 yards.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:05 PM

I am biting my nails over this game. If the Vikes win, they have at least a chance of making the playoffs

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

HAHAHHAHAHA. H-Smith taking their game and shoving it down their throat. Pick 6, Vikes 21-7 late in the 3rd quarter.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

...and I thought you meant because of the snow storm.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Wow, I come back in after clearing snow only to find a win was pulled out. Then I look out the window as I type this to find it snowing again. Irony.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

@stl @hou(who will maybe Ben benching everyone) very well could come down to the last week of the season against GB.

Ponder sucks though, Christ.

#15 TheLeviathan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

How many games is this now that we have won despite his awful performances? 3?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

Pretty close. Gotta have a few bad performances in a row over the next three weeks from Dallas, Washington, and Chicago to get in, as all three are in front of us in the standings. Extremely possible with Chicago with the kind of turd they are laying the second half of the season. With the injury to RG3, the Redskins are seemingly vulnerable at least next week. I don't know who Dallas is facing over the next three weeks, but let's hope these three teams lose out and the Vikes can win at least two out of three.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

Ponder is to the Vikings what Johnny Flynn was to the T-Wolves. Collective WTF?! reaction from fans after they were drafted as a high as they were. Likeable guys, showed some early promise, but just aren't big league material. Except that the Vikes didn't draft a quarterback equivalent to Ricky Rubio when they drafted Ponder. (How's that for a Vikes/Wolves analogy on a Twins site.)

I've tried to be patient with Ponder, but he's at the point where things should be starting to click, and he's regressing.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:03 PM

The Twins should only be this good.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:47 PM

Maybe if the Vikings had a receiver that could catch the ball on third down last week, catch a pass in the end zone on an untipped ball that hits off the receivers shoulder pads. Yes Ponder makes mistakes, but he is not even two years in and showed in the beginning of the year that he can make plays. All thus bitching about him sounds like I am back out in Madison when Rodgers was taking over for Favre.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:00 PM

Ponder's 2 biggest issues:
1) lack of confidence
2) he's gun shy as hell. He won't stand in there, take some heat and try and make a throw. If he feels like there is a guy with 5 feet of him he is cowering and breaking out of the pocket.

#21 TheLeviathan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:57 PM

Maybe if the Vikings had a receiver that could catch the ball on third down last week, catch a pass in the end zone on an untipped ball that hits off the receivers shoulder pads. Yes Ponder makes mistakes, but he is not even two years in and showed in the beginning of the year that he can make plays. All thus bitching about him sounds like I am back out in Madison when Rodgers was taking over for Favre.


Yeah, your argument was going really well and you topped it off with Ponder-Rodgers comp. Couldn't have finished off this string of stupidity any better. Well done sir.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:28 AM

Even that Aromashadou ball was a little underthrown. Has Ponder overthrown a wide out on a deep pattern all year, even once? Some people want a deep threat - I wonder if Ponder has the arm for a deep threat. He is constantly throwing behind guys on their routes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:15 AM

Maybe if the Vikings had a receiver that could catch the ball on third down last week, catch a pass in the end zone on an untipped ball that hits off the receivers shoulder pads. Yes Ponder makes mistakes, but he is not even two years in and showed in the beginning of the year that he can make plays. All thus bitching about him sounds like I am back out in Madison when Rodgers was taking over for Favre.


---Yeah Rodgers is a good comp. After 2 dozen NFL starts, he was still looking increasingly clueless with each sub-100-yard passing performance, even though he had the best running back on the planet at his disposal and wasn't being asked to do much.

That was sarcasm in case you missed it.

#24 TheLeviathan

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:00 AM

---Yeah Rodgers is a good comp. After 2 dozen NFL starts, he was still looking increasingly clueless with each sub-100-yard passing performance, even though he had the best running back on the planet at his disposal and wasn't being asked to do much.

That was sarcasm in case you missed it.


Um, you forgot to blame Jarius Wright for not coming back 20 yards to catch that punt Ponder threw.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:06 AM

The Vikings WR is terrible no doubt and needs to be addressed, but Ponder is missing these guys even we they are able to get open.

I was a bit surprised yesterday, when you have a guy struggling like Ponder why the hell were they not calling more screen passes and short passes to a guy like Rudolph? (Who has had a pretty solid season, and a very good lat 3 weeks)

Once again the defense and Peterson bailed this team out, if they want to keep winning they absolutely need to get something from Ponder these last three games.

I will give this team credit though "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"

It seems like everytime we get our hopes up they crush it, and the minute we give up on em they go out and get a big win. I know people will point to the Bears having injuries, but screw it, a dominating win over a division rival? Give me that any day of the week.

Edited by SpiritofVodkaDave, 10 December 2012 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:50 AM

I will give this team credit though "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"

You seem surprised. I could have sworn this wasn't your first year following the Vikings, Dave.

#27 TheLeviathan

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

You seem surprised. I could have sworn this wasn't your first year following the Vikings, Dave.


Typically Dave just hallucinates playoff contention for all Minnesota teams regardless of their actual abilities. So it was probably just lip service. :)

#28 luke829

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:28 PM

Not too sure if I want to wade back into this or not, but here goes.

While Ponder hasn't been given the opportunity to ride the bench and learn from a mentor (such as Rodgers did in Green Bay), the fact that his play makes the offense so one dimensional can only work for so long, no matter how great the star offensive player is. And as has been mentioned, the fact that he has regressed a tad only heightens the concern.

The fact that he still trots out onto the field only show how dire the QB situation is for the Vikes. An army without a good field general can only do so much.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:37 PM

Not a vikes fan but in north east north dakota you seem to watch alot of vike games. In all honesty...is adrian peterson the best running back of all time? No joke. I saw him in favres last year...best ever

#30 FrodaddyG

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

The main problem with Ponder is this: When he was succeeding, they were running the simplest offense in the league. Hand to Peterson. Throw high percentage passes to Percy and the receivers. Profit.

The problem was, if he struggled, there was nowhere to go to make the offense any simpler without actually refusing to pass the ball. Percy going down didn't help matters, but that only excuses the few games he has missed. The fact is, Ponder's only success can be derived from running an offense so stupidly simple that any half-decent QB can succeed in it. Any QB that's played in the NFL should be able to complete passes against consistent 8-man fronts. That should be a given. The fact that Ponder's been hit or miss all year (with Peterson forcing defenses to stack heavily against the run) is a pretty clear indicator that he's just not good enough to make the Vikings consistently good enough to be a serious contender. Even someone as mediocre as a real game manager (the Alex Smith example) may be enough to make the Vikings legit.