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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...s-Trade-Options

#2 raindog

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

Or we could remain level-headed. There is no evidence that the Braves were willing to give up much of value to the Twins for Span. Hopefully the Reds are willing.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

Or we could remain level-headed. There is no evidence that the Braves were willing to give up much of value to the Twins for Span. Hopefully the Reds are willing.


Im really just not that interested in trading with the Reds. Im hoping The Rays...but they have a pretty smart front office and likely will say no to the Twins demands for Span similar to the Braves.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

Might the Phillies be looking for a CF as well?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

Or we could remain level-headed. There is no evidence that the Braves were willing to give up much of value to the Twins for Span. Hopefully the Reds are willing.


Im really just not that interested in trading with the Reds. Im hoping The Rays...but they have a pretty smart front office and likely will say no to the Twins demands for Span similar to the Braves.


I would be happy with the Rays, as well. But like you siad, they have a very smart front office. Probably best in baseball. I don't see us getting the better end of that deal.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

[quote name='raindog'][quote name='AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS'][quote name='raindog']Or we could remain level-headed. There is no evidence that the Braves were willing to give up much of value to the Twins for Span. Hopefully the Reds are willing.[/QUOTE]

Im really just not that interested in trading with the Reds. Im hoping The Rays...but they have a pretty smart front office and likely will say no to the Twins demands for Span similar to the Braves.[/QUOTE]


I would be happy with the Rays, as well. But like you siad, they have a very smart front office. Probably best in baseball. I don't see us getting the better end of that deal.[/QUOTE]


I honestly think if we trade Span most people are going to be upset at what we receive for him. Right now the Twins I have heard are asking for a haul for Span.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:35 PM

As your options shrink, your return usually shrinks. It's simple economics.....so ya, this is another bump in the offseason.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

Nooooooooooooooooo:shoot: myself

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

Allhope,
you've mentioned that the Twins are asking for a haul foe Span, and you've mentioned that the Braves turned down the Twins based on their demands for Span.

Just curious. Who's your source? thrylos?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:36 PM

The Braves don't have to be out of the running with the signing of Upton. They still have an OF need and value is still value. Does it knock down the need for an OF'er? Yes but Span would still be a nice leadoff hitter fit for the Braves... Upton is not a leadoff guy.

The other side of the coin obviously. It takes one option off the table for all the other teams that could use a CF.

Yes... I'd like some of that Atlanta pitching but as names come off the board... Theoretically... Spans value should increase.

Theoretically means nothing because I'm making these theories from North Dakota.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:47 PM

Did Ryan wait too long here?

Seems like he did. I am sure the Braves offered some folks to him as they had incentive to save the 8 Million difference that Span would have brought them.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:58 PM

Alas we will never know what was asked for and what was offered. These kind of details often get leaked, but never with the Twins. I'd still like to know what the snag was in the Span to the Reds deal last July.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

It's also been mentioned that ATL may still be in the market for Span even though Upton was signed. It sounds unlikely, but given Span's team friendly deal, he could be attractive enough to make it a Span for middle IF deal instead. ATL has some stellar young SS.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

The ATL ship has set sail folks, and the Twins still haven't acquired any pitching.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:23 PM

Atlanta still needs offense and a LF'er so this ship hasn't completely sailed although it might be Willingham that gets traded. I don't have a problem with that as long as it's a decent return.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

Allhope,
you've mentioned that the Twins are asking for a haul foe Span, and you've mentioned that the Braves turned down the Twins based on their demands for Span.

Just curious. Who's your source? thrylos?


Ken Rosenthal reported that the Braves were interested in both Upton and Span but talks with Twins failed to progress.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:36 PM

This is no reason to hit the button. The Braves are out for Span but Upton is now off the market, so the other teams interested in Upton are now more interested in Span. The number one thing the team needs is a true Ace. A number one starter is essential. I am on the sign Grienke bandwagon. I hope people jump on this wagon and get the cheapest GM in the business to go out and sign Grienke or he is going to pick up 3 or 4 bottom of the rotation guys and we will lose 90 plus again. An ace for the staff turns this from a 90+ loss to a 90+ win team. It is sooooo important to have a true ace on the staff. We cant let TR get away with 5 mid level starters or we will never compete in our division.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:39 PM

Why trade pitching when you can sign a free agent? Twins will just have to wait on Span.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:40 PM

The fact that Upton was an FA (along w Bourn) hurt Span's trade value. That Upton signed with a potential Span suitor was always a given! Another way to look at it is that those other teams in search of a CFer have fewer options. Span's value is at the very least nebulous.

Edited by PseudoSABR, 29 November 2012 - 12:41 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:43 PM

Rodney you are so right! we need a ace for the long-term, so do it now, why put if off?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

Rodney you are so right! we need a ace for the long-term, so do it now, why put if off?


Because there is no way the Twins will shell out the money in order to get that true ACE!

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:21 AM

My top 3 picks for the Twins are Grienke, Liriano, and Myers. I would be happy with that. Yes Haren, Marcum,Dempster,Jackson, and Sanchez are ok also, but they are injury phrone and pricey too. Look for a trade to happen to but after most of the FA sign.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

If we don't sign a true ace now we will lose 90 games for the next 2 years and maybe more, we can't not afford that and where would you find a younger and better one that now?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:36 AM

I laugh at the idea that trading Span is some kind of necessity. For what? If this is about contending in 2013, I guarantee you that the Twins in 2013 are going to be better with Span than without him. If it is about 2014 and beyond, then I guarantee you that A: either there will be other trade options like Revere and Parmelee that make sense, or B: a deadline trade is going to be much more beneficial for Span.

I will vomit if the opening day lineup is Revere-Carroll at the top.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:04 AM

Shane,

This is just typical Twins stuff that has been going on for years. The Twins front office clearly overvalues the players on their roster and have no clue when the time is right to make a deal. Just look at the evidence in the last 5 years. They refused to trade Torii Hunter at the trade deadline in July 2007 and he left as a free agent. They waited way too long to trade Johan Santana and ended up getting nothing significant for him when they were offered players like Lester, Masterson, Lowrie, Cabrera, and Phil Hughes. They refused to trade Delmon Young and Francisco Liriano after great 2010 seasons and basically traded them as part of a salary dump. They also refused to unload Cuddyer, Nathan, and Kubel at the trade deadline in 2011. Why would anybody expect to receive more than a B prospect for Span or Morneau. I really for the first time in my life have lost complete confidence in GM Terry Ryan. He was once considered the best GM in MLB but not anymore.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:23 AM

I agree with Fanatic Jack, generally, here! The bizarre marginal roster decisions indicate total weirdness to me. Jeff Gray and now Tim Wood. Thielbar on the 40-man? Really? Anyway, I think Doumit, Burton, and Carroll are good enough additions to warrant some good respect for TR in his first year back. It is unfortunate that this manager chose to remove Carroll from SS, even though the numbers are on Carroll's side. If TR can just now focus on TWO FA additions (Marcum and somebody else), that would be more than good enough for me.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:08 AM

I think it's moves like this that get the impatient crowd going....
Knowing all along Atlanta would be a great fit for a trading partner, then seeing Atlanta sign a CF....it just feels like a lost opportunity.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:00 AM

This is just 1 team off the market for a CF. We still have trade partners in the Phillies, Reds, Rangers, Rays, and any other team that would like a cheap upgrade in center. Its the middle of the second inning of the offseason...chill

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:03 AM

Terry wants 10 dollars... Frank offers 6 dollars... The blue book probably says 8.

Span is a Banana... Upton is a peach. Atlanta still wants a Banana because you don't want a peach that hasn't hit above .250 the last 4 seasons hitting leadoff.

Frank is offering 6 dollars because there are other Bananas around but Span is one of the top leadoff Bananas available. Terry is asking for 10 because he wants 10 and other have expressed interest in his Banana.

Terry will either keep his Banana or trade him for 8 dollars or maybe get the full 10 dollars. I doubt that Terry will trade for 6 dollars because the Banana market will fluctuate.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

Dang you BJ... for working next year someplace!