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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...s-40-man-roster

#2 SirLoin

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

I believe that the addition of Pinto signals the end of Butera's tenure with the Twins. No way are the Twins going to keep 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, so I expect Butera to be non-tendered.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.


I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

If they take a player in the rule 5 or they sign any free agents what players are likely to be dropped if these guys must stay until spring?
Seems really strange they didn't leave any open spots with all the players being let go.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:49 PM

Any thought that by filling up the entire 40 man roster that it signals that we have a multi-player trade brewing? If we are shipping out 2 or 3 guys on our 40 man roster for one very good pitcher, that would leave us at 37 or 38?

Am I being too optimistic?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

I think that the Twins might have a couple of guys they would be willing to risk losing if they have to pass them through waivers. With all teams trying to jockey their 40 man rosters around this time of the year, it might also be a good time to do that.

I am also a bit surprised they protected that many.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:14 PM

I expected Pinto, however, am a bit surprised that they added 8. Expect they will make a move or two before the Rule 5 draft as they certainly will want to look at potential starting pitchers. Most likely to be moved could be Fields.

#9 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

Field is one of about 5-6 guys who could still be removed if needed.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

I believe that the addition of Pinto signals the end of Butera's tenure with the Twins. No way are the Twins going to keep 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, so I expect Butera to be non-tendered.


So happy For Josmil! He is a great guy and very hard working. Hope to see him starting in minnesota one day.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

Any thought that by filling up the entire 40 man roster that it signals that we have a multi-player trade brewing? If we are shipping out 2 or 3 guys on our 40 man roster for one very good pitcher, that would leave us at 37 or 38?

Am I being too optimistic?


It does seem that the Twins are more interested in trading for pitching help than signing free agents. That also is consistent with Ryan's previous statement of "...thin free agent market...".

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:22 PM

Field is one of about 5-6 guys who could still be removed if needed.


so who are the other 5 guys that don't deserve to be on the 40 man roster? They better make a move for a decent starter before contracts like the one KC just handed Guthrie drive up the market for the other quality arms.

One last thing do you think they will draft a hard thrower who can actually throw strikes in the Rule 5 draft?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:45 PM

Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:57 PM

so what is nate roberts' status. can he be selected in the rule 5 draft? with a full 40 man roster........ expectations of free agent pitcher signings are dimmed. at least in the very near future.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...s-40-man-roster


I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:15 PM

Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.


Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.

#17 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:18 PM

so what is nate roberts' status. can he be selected in the rule 5 draft? with a full 40 man roster........ expectations of free agent pitcher signings are dimmed. at least in the very near future.


Nate Roberts doesn't have to be added until after next season since he was a college draft pick in 2010. He and Alex Wimmers should hopefully lead the list of For-Sures.

Lots can happen to make the roster less than 40 and they can sign free agents. Also, they can make trades.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

[quote name='Laroosh1'][quote name='Seth Stohs']You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...s-40-man-roster[/QUOTE]

I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.[/QUOTE]

He wouldn't have to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2014 season... so it's not worth taking a roster spot now since he can't be selected in the Rule 5.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

[quote name='Seth Stohs'][quote name='Rosterman']Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.[/QUOTE]

Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.[/QUOTE]

Oliveros would be the 1st player the twins would remove if they sign someone. If he's out most of 2013, then the rule five rules would apply in 2014 as well.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

Nate Roberts doesn't have to be added until after next season since he was a college draft pick in 2010. He and Alex Wimmers should hopefully lead the list of For-Sures.


Arcia was signed in the summer of 2007 and needed to be added in November of 2011.

Kepler (summer) and Sano (fall) were signed in 2009, so I'm anticipating that they will need to be added in November of 2013.

I do believe, though, that I read at one point that because of when Sano signed that the Twins would get an extra year. I didn't - and still don't - see how that's possible. If eligible, both are must-adds.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:04 PM

[quote name='Seth Stohs'][quote name='Laroosh1'][quote name='Seth Stohs']You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...s-40-man-roster[/QUOTE]

I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.[/QUOTE]

He wouldn't have to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2014 season... so it's not worth taking a roster spot now since he can't be selected in the Rule 5.[/QUOTE]

Let's be honest here... Colabello will be the everyday first baseman for the Twins at some point in 2013.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:08 PM

For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:08 PM

[quote name='maxisagod'][quote name='Seth Stohs'][quote name='Rosterman']Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.[/QUOTE]

Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.[/QUOTE]

Oliveros would be the 1st player the twins would remove if they sign someone. If he's out most of 2013, then the rule five rules would apply in 2014 as well.[/QUOTE]

If you can hold out on Oliveras till the season starts, he immediately goes to 60 day DL.
Butera, Guerra, Field, Swarzak, Burnett could be possibilites IMO. No shot on Benson, Mastro, Hermann.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:23 PM

for many of these guys.............. IF they are (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.

Edited by h2oface, 21 November 2012 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.


Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

Last time I checked, Pugh is doing well in Winterball. I would expect someone makes a claim on him in the Rule V but would be surprised if the Twins lost him as I doubt he could stick the whole year on the 25 man roster.

I am surprised Santana is on the 40 man. If this was the plan, why wouldn't they have called him up to AA sometime last year? I doubt he would make it the whole year on a 25 man roster and probably would've stayed with the team through the Rule V draft.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:51 AM

For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.


Just a correction... It's the Rule 5 draft, not the Rule V draft...

Anyway, I like Anthony and I sincerely hope for him that he does get selected. But teams have had opportunities to pick him up and haven't. I'd be shocked if he was taken now. In part because the last few years only about 10-12 players get drafted in the Rule 5, few stick, and they're generally younger.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:57 AM

for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.


Honestly, the Twins wouldn't put someone on the 40 man roster that they don't think would be taken in the Rule 5. In other words, they must feel that the likelihood of these guys being selected was worth adding them. Hicks and Gibson are the types of talents that people would take and probably play. It's not hard to 'hide' a 12th or 13th pitcher, so someone like Tonkin would certainly be in play, and Thielbar is left-handed with some good, intriguing stuff who pitched alright in AAA. Left-handed and breathing. Twins showed last year that it's not hard to hide a 3rd catcher, even when they went with 13 pitchers. And Pinto would be a pinch-hitting type. He may have been taken. I'm surprised by the Wood inclusion, but again, 29 and throws hard, so he easily could be hidden. Santana is a true, natural shortstop with great speed and athleticism. Not many of those out there, so I'm sure this was a pretty easy choice for the team to keep him. He'd be stashed as a 2nd utility infielder who mainly pinch-runs.

Don't get me wrong... I was very surprised by Pinto, Thielbar and Wood. To be honest, I"m almost a little surprised by Hermsen, but I can certainly understand the case for each.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:02 AM

[quote name='Jeremy Nygaard'][quote name='h2oface']for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't have added 8 either, I don't think, but like I said above, I can see the case. Salcedo was so hurt last year that no one would take him this offseason and be able to keep him on the big league roster, and my assumptino is that he will be too healthy next year to just throw on the DL. So, he's an easy choice to not add whereas a guy like Thielbar or Wood could be selected and would have no problem sticking on the big league roster of a team that has an open spot, or a bad team just trying to add pieces.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:09 AM

i just don't see the "hide/stash" scenario anymore. this is a new era in baseball. the old school mentality is proving to no longer work. oakland and san fran and tampa.......... they are examples. with stacking 12 pitchers, and 9 position players, and 4 bench, or however one divides the 25 man roster.......... with starting pitchers only being able to go (or allowed to go) 100 pitches, and many doing that by the 5th..... and then those guys that are hurt but not honest, and the team doesn't put them on the DL right away (sound familiar), the team is thinner yet. the national league teams have to use more pinch hitters. the twins were just about as horrible as it can get, and they wouldn't have brought up any of the guys in question, and i don't know how the twins could have possibly hidden anybody all year and taken up that precious roster spot. i see guys like butera as exposed, and not hidden. kinda like constantly having to have a pitcher come to bat. so exposed, not hidden. but again, i don't really think it matters to protect them, as they would come back. this group of 40 are the ones that ryan must see as the twins immediate future, and because he is still in the era past, this is how he believes he needs to play it. so this is what we see. ryan's vision of the team his is building for its fans. perhaps he is making sure he has the chips he is working on trades with? too hopeful? the gems in the draft might be those that were hurt, and not protected, that are actually ready to get the shot if they rehab to the same or better level.

slama seems to be the perfect pick for a reliever. ready as can be, just untested. i sense his freedom is near.

Edited by h2oface, 21 November 2012 - 04:26 AM.