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Keith Law and his thoughts on Kyle Gibson PART DEUX

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#1 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

Here is a piece from KLAWs Chat today.

At what point in 2013 do you think it is reasonable for Kyle Gibson to be in the Twins rotation?
[h=6]Klaw (1:35 PM)
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As soon as he's built up the durability. Stuff is ready now.

#2 Seth Stohs

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

Absolutely correct.

#3 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

Just gets me all giddy with excitement

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

Encouraging. Then again, the standard for stuff being ready enough now to warrant consideration for a spot in the Twins rotation is... well... not high.
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#5 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Encouraging. Then again, the standard for stuff being ready enough now to warrant consideration for a spot in the Twins rotation is... well... not high.


Now youre just being A DEBBIE DOWNER. Keith Law obviously thinks Gibsons Stuff is Major Leaugue ready...not just twins ready.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:42 PM

Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

Well then maybe the questioner should have specifically asked Keith when he thought Gibson would be "Major League ready" instead of when it would be reasonable to expect him to be in the Twins rotation! :)

Seriously, though... I wonder about the "built up durability" thing and what he means by that. I'm not even sure how one goes about building up durability. Stamina? sure. It could be that he's referring to the choice the Twins will have to make about just how they decide to utilize Gibson's ~150 innings. I'm certainly curious to find out the answer to that myself.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.


While I'm looking forward to seeing him pitch, I'm not entirely sure having 5 Gibson's gives the Twins a top 15 rotation. Now if we make sure to snag Verlander's sweaty jock out of the visitors locker room to throw in our cloning machine.....

#9 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:01 PM

Well then maybe the questioner should have specifically asked Keith when he thought Gibson would be "Major League ready" instead of when it would be reasonable to expect him to be in the Twins rotation! :)

Seriously, though... I wonder about the "built up durability" thing and what he means by that. I'm not even sure how one goes about building up durability. Stamina? sure. It could be that he's referring to the choice the Twins will have to make about just how they decide to utilize Gibson's ~150 innings. I'm certainly curious to find out the answer to that myself.


i figured that it was bulding up his Stamina, which isnt easy to do. Have the Twins come out and said how many innings they plan on giving Gibson this year?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:02 PM

I don't think it's being a debbie downer to expect a player to prove something before going all lady gaga over them.

My hope is he gives us a nice Brad Radke type career. However it wouldn't surprise me if he fizzles out.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

I thought I read somewhere that they were looking at about 150 innings out of him, but I don't remember where that came from. There's not a lot of point in trying to push him much higher than that. I just would hope they'd be smarter about how the ration out his limited innings than the Nationals were with their guy this year.

I also agree with Winston that enthusiasm should be tempered until we see results on a Big League field. I've had big hopes for Liam Hendriks, too, and those have certainly not yet been realized (though I haven't totally given up on him yet).
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

I'm slotting him in at #2 Opening day for the time being... I'll buy a Gibson jersey in full support.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

Late May...early June...should be the goal. That could take him thru the season.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

"...built up his durability." Isn't that true for all starting pitchers?--and isn't that what training and Spring Training Camp are designed to accomplish? If Gibson's stuff is "ready"--start him. Many 1st timers stumble,--so what he has "three options" to the minors so there should be no problem. How many innings to pitch this year? I can't say, but he could be shut down if that was deemed the right course of action--it is incredible to think the Twins will be leading the AL in Wins like the Nationals led the NL this past season.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:00 PM

I fully expect Gibson to be in the opening day rotation. He'll be solid as long as his healthy. That's the only question mark in my mind. I also expect Wimmers to rebound. That would be huge, as we would at least have three solid starters.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:11 PM

Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.


Actually, I'd giddy that they had a minor breakthrough in how to get their guys through a Tommy John recovery in any kind of expedient fashion. FWIW, Gibson seems to be light-years (or at least light-months) ahead of where Liriano was when he went through it a couple of years ago.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

[quote name='John Bonnes'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp']Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'd giddy that they had a minor breakthrough in how to get their guys through a Tommy John recovery in any kind of expedient fashion. FWIW, Gibson seems to be light-years (or at least light-months) ahead of where Liriano was when he went through it a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]

Based on?? Gibson predictably didn't exactly pitch well in the AFL...5.40 ERA, I believe. Most encouraging is his velocity and his OK control. Obviously I think he'll be just fine.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:04 PM

AFL was encouraging... not because he produced a dominating stat line, but because he got some work in, and will help accelerate his path to recovery. If Gibson is healthy enough for a rotation spot out of spring training that would really improve this rotation that has nobody owning a spot. (Diamond is the only guy on this roster i'd put money on being in the rotation right now)

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:22 PM

I'd slot him in as the 5th starter if possible and push his turn back when possible. This would limit innings.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:39 AM

Since the Twins are unlikely to contend next year, I would hope that they start him in Rochester where there is a lot less pressure. If he can perform there, then maybe Deduno gets sent down. :D

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:09 AM

Since the Twins are unlikely to contend next year, I would hope that they start him in Rochester where there is a lot less pressure. If he can perform there, then maybe Deduno gets sent down. :D


It won't be Deduno since he's already off the 40 man roster. He would have to make an incredibly strong case.

Don't get me wrong. Gibson's AFL performance was very solid considering the hitter friendliness of the league and the most important thing for him was eating innings. If I'm correct, I think Liriano pitched in the Dominican League right after the New Year for a little bit and dominated.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:35 AM

Good to know his stuff is ready but the Twins are still aren't going to throw him into the rotation at the beginning of the year. He will start in the bullpen or in Rochester.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:14 AM

Why not in the bullpen in Minnesota? How is pitching in the minors less stressful?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

Why not in the bullpen in Minnesota? How is pitching in the minors less stressful?


Yeah, this is what I want. Get him used to the majors like they did with Santana and Liriano. They can move him into the rotation in June and still limit him to 130 or so innings.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:27 AM

If I'm the Twins, I start him in Rochester for two reasons: they want to limit his innings, and to not start the clock on his service time. Bring him up in June or whatever the timeframe is and we get an extra year of control, which could be huge if he turns out to be a quality MLB starter.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:03 AM

If I'm the Twins, I start him in Rochester for two reasons: they want to limit his innings, and to not start the clock on his service time. Bring him up in June or whatever the timeframe is and we get an extra year of control, which could be huge if he turns out to be a quality MLB starter.


Two things,
1) The Twins will still count his AAA innings. He'll be on a 130-150 inning limit and it won't matter where he throws those innings.
2) He's 25. We'll have control of him through his age 31 season, no matter what.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

I don't think it matters whether he starts in Rochester or Minnesota but I'd prefer Rochester. If he starts there, that means the Twins have actually picked up some arms this offseason and won't have to rely on Kyle out of the gate. Plus, it will allow him to build up more arm strength/control in a setting where the pressure will undoubtedly be lower.

Either way, being disappointed one way or the other is premature. Kyle still has several months of rehab and innings in ST before the Twins need to make this decision.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

Good to know his stuff is ready but the Twins are still aren't going to throw him into the rotation at the beginning of the year. He will start in the bullpen or in Rochester.


Is this fact or speculation/opinion?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.


They did about five years ago, but sadly it only works with Carlos Silva.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:26 AM

[quote name='ALessKosherScott'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp']Now all the front office needs to do is uncover a breakthrough in cloning technology.[/QUOTE]

They did about five years ago, but sadly it only works with Carlos Silva.[/QUOTE]

This seriously made my day. Priceless.