Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

The Store

Recent Blogs

Photo

Article: Pickin' Berrios

  • Please log in to reply
110 replies to this topic

#1 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:15 PM

You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...-Pickin-Berrios

#2 righty8383

righty8383

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 591 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:43 PM

I hope his days in rookie ball are behind him. He has nothing left to prove. Either start him in Cedar Rapids or maybe extended spring training and he can join the Kernals in May or June(this would keep his innings down for his 1st full season of pro ball). If he dominates the midwest league he could be put on the fast track in 2014 and have the chance to play at a couple levels.

#3 nicksaviking

nicksaviking

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 3,622 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:38 AM

Hopefully they have him break in the organization's new Midwest League affiliate. Still, the Twins MO is to keep high school drafted players at low A for an entire season with nearly no exceptions, so I doubt he gets to Ft. Myers even if he pitches flawlessly.

#4 glunn

glunn

    Head Moderator

  • Twins Moderators
  • 5,091 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:21 AM

I see no reason not to move him up to Ft. Meyers is he does well at Cedar Rapids.

#5 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 6,897 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

They won't (And shouldn't) want him to get more than about 120 innings next year. My assumption is he'll go to Extended Spring Training for 6 weeks or so to help do just that. The other option is to have him pitch out of the bullpen for the first half of the season and then start during the second half.

#6 twinsfaninsaudi

twinsfaninsaudi

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 150 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

Bring 'em north!

#7 beckmt

beckmt

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 804 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:35 AM

Would like to see him start in Cedar Rapids and move up to Ft. Myers if he pitches well in the Midwest league. Need to move these arms up as fast as they can take it.

#8 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

Bring 'em north!


Hopefully we will see Berrios for the ML club in 2014 after dominating AA ball, that is, if he can get to A+ this season.

#9 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

I see no reason not to move him up to Ft. Meyers is he does well at Cedar Rapids.


Thats assuming the Twins let him pitch in Cedar Rapids to start the year, otherwise he wont have time to get to Ft. Myers

#10 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:21 PM

They won't (And shouldn't) want him to get more than about 120 innings next year. My assumption is he'll go to Extended Spring Training for 6 weeks or so to help do just that. The other option is to have him pitch out of the bullpen for the first half of the season and then start during the second half.


I could def see the ORG starting him in ELZ after the draft and having him start games but keeping him on a pitch and/or innings limit. Once short season is over, they will probably let him go to Cedar Rapids for a few more appearances. Starter or reliever there, I dont know.

#11 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 5,737 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

They won't (And shouldn't) want him to get more than about 120 innings next year. My assumption is he'll go to Extended Spring Training for 6 weeks or so to help do just that. The other option is to have him pitch out of the bullpen for the first half of the season and then start during the second half.


Why? other than being conservative with his healthy 19 year old arm, why?
Lighten up Francis....

#12 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 6,897 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

[quote name='mike wants wins'][quote name='Seth Stohs']They won't (And shouldn't) want him to get more than about 120 innings next year. My assumption is he'll go to Extended Spring Training for 6 weeks or so to help do just that. The other option is to have him pitch out of the bullpen for the first half of the season and then start during the second half.[/QUOTE]

Why? other than being conservative with his healthy 19 year old arm, why?[/QUOTE]

That would be the reason. He's long and lanky. He's not built like Felix Hernandez. It's wise to be patient. Also, reports from Instructs said he really struggled and tired. Not unusual at all.

#13 Brad Swanson

Brad Swanson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 618 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

If he is in the Majors in 2014, he'll be 21 years old. I am excited about what he did last year too, but I think that is pushing it a lot. If he is in AA by 2014, I'll be more than happy with that.

I'd be very surprised if he made it to Ft. Myers in 2013. There just isn't a reason to push him that quickly. The only way it happens is if he is so completely dominant that they can't hold him back any longer.

#14 Brad Swanson

Brad Swanson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 618 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

Oh, for what it's worth, Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus says he pitches with serious #rig.

#15 kab21

kab21

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,309 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:15 PM

0.1% chance he is in the majors in 2014. If he is then he's also getting consideration of being a top 10 overall prospect.

The early reports were that he was quite polished for a HS'er so it wasn't surprising that he did well in rk ball. I completely expect him to be in Cedar Rapids by June if not at the beginning of the season. I understand that it's the cool thing to do on here but it's tough to promote aggessively in the low minors when you only have mediocre prospects.

#16 Madre Dos

Madre Dos

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

Jose stayed in my home while in Elizabethton. He is polite and easy to get along with. He doesn't eat shrimp and he really likes cookie and cream ice cream. (two very important things for a host mom to know!) Good luck Jose!! You will go far.

#17 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:47 PM

Jose stayed in my home while in Elizabethton. He is polite and easy to get along with. He doesn't eat shrimp and he really likes cookie and cream ice cream. (two very important things for a host mom to know!) Good luck Jose!! You will go far.


Cool inside information about our best pitching prospect! Thank you for sharing! Do you know if Jose is coming back to live with you next summer?

#18 Madre Dos

Madre Dos

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

[quote name='mnfanforlife'][quote name='Madre Dos']Jose stayed in my home while in Elizabethton. He is polite and easy to get along with. He doesn't eat shrimp and he really likes cookie and cream ice cream. (two very important things for a host mom to know!) Good luck Jose!! You will go far.[/QUOTE]

Cool inside information about our best pitching prospect! Thank you for sharing! Do you know if Jose is coming back to live with you next summer?[/QUOTE]

I don't know. I'm going to spring training in March ( i still have about 30 "baseball sons" in the organization). I try to get all of them out to dinner. We have to work around English lessons! I usually have a list of 13 or so that want to stay here if they come to Elizabethton. I find out about 4 or 5 days before they get on the bus in fort myers who is going to be here.

#19 johnnydakota

johnnydakota

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 1,498 posts

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:08 PM

[quote name='Madre Dos'][quote name='mnfanforlife'][quote name='Madre Dos']Jose stayed in my home while in Elizabethton. He is polite and easy to get along with. He doesn't eat shrimp and he really likes cookie and cream ice cream. (two very important things for a host mom to know!) Good luck Jose!! You will go far.[/QUOTE]

Cool inside information about our best pitching prospect! Thank you for sharing! Do you know if Jose is coming back to live with you next summer?[/QUOTE]

I don't know. I'm going to spring training in March ( i still have about 30 "baseball sons" in the organization). I try to get all of them out to dinner. We have to work around English lessons! I usually have a list of 13 or so that want to stay here if they come to Elizabethton. I find out about 4 or 5 days before they get on the bus in fort myers who is going to be here.[/QUOTE]
gracias querida dios te bendiga

#20 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:44 AM

Very nice! I dont mean to be rude, but I am hoping Berrios gets to skip rookie ball in Elizabethton this year. But if he does end up there I hope he gets to have some ice cream with yall!

#21 ashburyjohn

ashburyjohn

    Twins Moderator

  • Twins Moderators
  • 8 posts

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

> If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there.

Get ready for more Cedar Rapids Kernels puns this upcoming season!

#22 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

> If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there.

Get ready for more Cedar Rapids Kernels puns this upcoming season!


HAHA! Corny..

#23 70charger

70charger

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 1,119 posts

Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

> If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there.

Get ready for more Cedar Rapids Kernels puns this upcoming season!


The puns will be knee-high by July.

#24 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:41 AM

Oh, for what it's worth, Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus says he pitches with serious #rig.


Could you clarify what you're talking about here? (#rig)

Edited by mnfanforlife, 23 November 2012 - 09:55 AM.


#25 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

If he is in the Majors in 2014, he'll be 21 years old. I am excited about what he did last year too, but I think that is pushing it a lot. If he is in AA by 2014, I'll be more than happy with that.

I'd be very surprised if he made it to Ft. Myers in 2013. There just isn't a reason to push him that quickly. The only way it happens is if he is so completely dominant that they can't hold him back any longer.


Dont you think that our need at Starting Pitcher would be a good reason to fast track Berrios in 2013?

#26 kab21

kab21

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,309 posts

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

Need should not dictate lower level promotions. He should be promoted when he is ready.

#27 mnfanforlife

mnfanforlife

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 491 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

Need should not dictate lower level promotions. He should be promoted when he is ready.


Are you suggesting that he is not ready to be promoted past rookie ball? What level do you think Berrios is "ready" for? What constitutes being "ready" in your opinion? If you use statistics to measure "readiness", than where would Berrios' stats place him next year, in your opinion?

#28 beckmt

beckmt

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 804 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:51 PM

I would start him in Ft. Myers and if he excels promote him to New Britian.

#29 PseudoSABR

PseudoSABR

    Twins News Team

  • Twins News Team
  • 1,955 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

No reason to hurry this guy. New Britain next year seems like a total reach.

#30 Brad Swanson

Brad Swanson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 618 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:35 PM

No reason to hurry this guy. New Britain next year seems like a total reach.


With you, in fact, New Britain in two seasons is a reach. Player development not player acceleration. What's the rush?