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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:02 PM

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#2 jorgenswest

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:19 PM

I don't see a platoon possibility as long as the Twins need to carry a large pitching staff. It will come down to a choice between Plouffe and the competition. Valencia lost on that choice last year.

It is so difficult to platoon in the current era. Instead of 10-11 pitchers, teams carry 12-13. The cost is the roster spots for platoon players. On the bench sits a reserve middle infielder with a good glove at SS, catcher and 4th outfielder that can play CF. They are almost always defensively oriented with positional flexibility. That leaves at most one other spot for a bat assuming everyone is healthy and no one is day to day.

In previous eras it was common to see a platoon at 3b, 2b or corner OF. The Twins had a 3b platoon on the 1991 team. With current roster construction, platoons can't happen. It isn't just Gardenhire who doesn't platoon.

My personal opinion is that a platoon has more potential value than a LOOGY. There must be a way to measure the value of a LOOGY and potential value of a platoon.

At some point, a team is going to figure out how to utilize their bullpen and reduce the number of pitchers on the roster. That team will also benefit from a bench with real options.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

Maybe inquire on Eric Chavez? He played a similar role with NYY this past year. Hit .281 with 16 HR in 278 ABs. He would be pretty cheap, would be a great PH option off the bench, and can also play first if needed. And he has 13 years of big league service, so he could be a nice veteran presence in the clubhouse. He does have an awful injury history, but for the relative small amount it would take to sign him, I'd think it would be worth a shot.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:31 PM

I know it's easier to look at free agents like Chavez, Polanco and Inge, but let's do some thinking out of the box.

Ryan Roberts is slated to make $3 million for the Rays through arbitration. I don't see them spending that much of their payroll on him so he should be available in a minor trade. He provides above average defense at both 2B and 3B, a little pop (31 HR in the last 2 years) and decent speed (28 SB in the last 2 years. He could be the starter at 2B with Carroll as the utility guy. If Plouffe struggles, you can just move Roberts over to 3B.

Wilson Betemit is also said to be available due to the emergence of Manny Machado. He's slated to make $2 million and won't cost much to acquire. He's a poor defender but has always crushed right handed pitching. He could provide some starts vs. RH starters along with some pop off the bench.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

Other than Chavez non of the options out there seem like a good fit. I'm thinking minor trade or picking up a MILB free agent or DFA might be the best route. I think Ryan is right to be looking at stocking up the position as the team is short of options should Plouffe fail.

#6 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:19 AM

Someone else mentioned Brandon Inge and I think that might be a decent idea. He's certainly not flashy (and in a perfect world, you'd find someone who can hit righties to complement Plouffe) but he also slots in as third catcher, allowing the team to free up a bench spot for someone else (who can hopefully hit).

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:21 AM

I think whoever they get will be someone who an play several positions so they have value on the benh for us. Also they will be solid or better defenders. That takes out players like Betemit. Chavez is too 1 dimensional meaning 3b, 1b and DH (which we have options for) .

I like Inge in that he can also serve as the 3rd string C which frees up a roster spot. He is also a plus defender at 3rd.

Polanco is another good option though the Twins seem to have several people they feel are capable at 2nd which is Polanco's other defensive spot. This makes good sense if the Twins felt they could move arroll back to SS if need be. That doesn't seem to be the case as he didn't play much there last year. Other than that he would be a good choice.

Ryan Roberts looks interesting, but I am going to bet that Tampa is willing to pay 3 million and let him go after next season. If they are willing to trade him, what would be the cost?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:03 AM

There would be more flexibility to fine tune their roster if Mauer played some 3b. Gardy seemed open to it at the season ticket holder conference. If Jr wants to create competition at the hot corner, there's his man.

Stick Plouffe at 1B against lefthanded starters and they'd have even more flexibility to bring in a righthanded corner infield bat.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:18 AM

We've got enough options at shortstop, though! :whacky028:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

I'm thinking Brian Buscher!

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:39 AM

Inge hasn't caught since 2008 - I suppose he could do it in an emergency, and I would much rather have him than Butera on the bench.
Still, Inge hasn't hit over .250 since 2006, and some of his averages are Butera like (.205, .197. .218); may as well just get Punto at that point.

#12 mike wants wins

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:24 AM

I do jot understand the interest in Inge. A platoon would be great, if they can find a cheap way to do it, and carry less pitching.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:39 AM

Why is anyone even discussing Inge? When he was released by the Tigers last year, the Twins didn't make any kind of move for him. If we didn't want him last year, why would we want him now?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:12 AM

Why is anyone even discussing Inge? When he was released by the Tigers last year, the Twins didn't make any kind of move for him. If we didn't want him last year, why would we want him now?


Because he could probably be had on a minor league contract this offseason.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:28 AM

Not sure I can agree with this, "The bad news is that the Twins are going to be hedging their bets this offseason." It seems pretty smart for the Twins to not assume the 27 year old Plouffe will suddenly become a solid MLer. He has some pop but his defense was horrible.

#16 Craig in MN

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:32 AM

Why is anyone even discussing Inge? When he was released by the Tigers last year, the Twins didn't make any kind of move for him. If we didn't want him last year, why would we want him now?



When Inge was released, Valencia still had at least a loose grip on third base, was hitting much better than Inge, and the Twins had bigger issues to deal with. And they probably thought that if they had to dump Valencia, they'd want to give Plouffe a chance to play 3rd consistantly to see what he could do. That would mean that Inge wouldn't have anywhere to play. And, hey, the Twins did just that and it worked out pretty well. After 2/3 of year of seeing that, now they might have a different opinion of what Plouffe can do and can't do, and might have rethought what they how Inge could fit.

I think I'd rather have Polanco than Inge, but there is some logic to why they'd talk to Inge.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:09 AM

I'll throw in a Jeff Keppinger nomination for possible competition - Can play 3B, 2B, 1B. Not ideal because he bats right-handed, but is a quality hitter. Maybe he is too similar to Carroll but I like his bat.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:21 AM

Are the Phillies going to pick up Ty Wigginton's $4 million option? He's not worth that price at this point. In any case, whoever Ryan brings in is going to be of the "Good name five years too late" variaty the Twins have been signing year in and year out. Wake me up when they sign a starting pitcher.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

Are the Phillies going to pick up Ty Wigginton's $4 million option? He's not worth that price at this point. In any case, whoever Ryan brings in is going to be of the "Good name five years too late" variaty the Twins have been signing year in and year out. Wake me up when they sign a starting pitcher.


Which is fine. I'm sure if they went out and spent $10-12 mil on a new starting 3B, everybody would scream that the money should be spent on pitching. Go out and sign an aging, semi-decent 3B to help the lineup, clubouse, and hopefully Plouffe.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

chavez or reynolds? each should be fairly cheap,
as for chavez i would wonder if his power resurgence is from sitting next to a-riod or is real?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

I don't understand why Eric Chavez would sign with the Twins. Hasn't he been on the verge of retirement for a while? His body breaks down with regular playing time. He seems willing to come cheaply with the understanding that he will be a part-time player and he will have a shot at a ring.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:46 PM

What about Youkilis or Izturis? Youkilis could be a right-handed bat at 1b (not that we need more 1b options), and Izturis could also cover SS and 2b, two spots where we are pretty uncomfortably thin.

Really it's too bad Parmelee is left-handed, if he could bounce between 1b, 3b, and outfield it would make our lineup a lot more flexible

#23 stringer bell

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

I doubt the Twins will pursue an over-the-hill veteran to compete with Plouffe. Rule out Chavez and Inge. I doubt they go with a righthanded hitter also. I mentioned Jack Hannahan in another thread--he hits lefty, has the rep as a good defender, I'm sure he's available for next to nothing and has a Minnesota connection. The only real drawback is that he's basically a one-position player.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:49 PM

I'd be more inclined to believe Chavez' power was due to playing in a hitters park playing for a team that preaches agressive swings and being the percieved weak link in a frightening lineup and thus seeing a ton of hittable pitches.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:13 PM

Maicer Izturis is 32 and can probably be had for relatively inexpensive (possibly a cheap incentive heavy deal). He can cover 2b, 3b, SS, switch hits, not the greatest power but he's got a bit of speed. Might not be the best available competition at 3b, but could also be competition at in the middle where we have no clear starters.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

I do jot understand the interest in Inge. A platoon would be great, if they can find a cheap way to do it, and carry less pitching.


A platoon is not in the cards. Offense isn't Plouffe's issue in the mind of TR , it's his defense more than anything else. So finding a good fielding player who can start for stretches that is inexpensive is the idea. Inge fits that to a T and he could be the third string catcher to boot. That opens up a spot on the roster for another player so there's more benefit.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:12 PM

I'm thinking Brian Buscher!


We could call the resulting platoon "Plu-sher."

Eh, Nick?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:16 AM

I don't know if I'm a fan of bringing in a slick-fielding no-hit 3b with VP. Sounds like a guy that will end up stealing a lot of at bats from Plouffe. I think they have some back-up options now, and a guy like Burroughs that can be stashed in AAA is the way to go. I don't see Plouffe failing enough to be replaced during the season though. He might not play well enough to be considered a long-term option, but I don't see him putting up less than a .700 OPS while playing acceptable defense.
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#29 mike wants wins

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

This is the same staff that thinks Hardy us not a good defender, correct? If they bring in a no hit fielding specialist, you know Gardy will play him. Ugh.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

Not sure I can agree with this, "The bad news is that the Twins are going to be hedging their bets this offseason." It seems pretty smart for the Twins to not assume the 27 year old Plouffe will suddenly become a solid MLer. He has some pop but his defense was horrible.


I read it as meaning "bad news" from Plouffe's standpoint (in that his job isn't necessarily safe).