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#1 darin617

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Liriano just traded to the White Sox for 2 minor leaguers. infielder Eduardo Escobar and left-hander Pedro Hernandez

#2 twinswon1991

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:11 PM

Well, the haul is better than a bag of balls.....but not by much! What happened to trying to get a young upside arm? These are past their prime prospects with zero upside. Will add some depth at AAA I guess.

#3 syves

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:15 PM

Why would we make a trade if we weren't going to get anything? Is Bill Smith holding Terry Ryan hostage and making decisions himself still?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:17 PM

Why would we make a trade if we weren't going to get anything? Is Bill Smith holding Terry Ryan hostage and making decisions himself still?



Just remember that while Billy was the GM he deferred all scouting and personnel moves to TR and his good ole boys. Billy is responsible for the Mauer contract and other terrible contracts but TR and the Good Ole Boys are the reason there is no talent in the organization. This trade is more of the same.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

Well, the haul is better than a bag of balls.....but not by much!

What happened to trying to get a young upside arm? These are past their prime prospects with zero upside. Will add some depth at AAA I guess.


Not a great haul but I wouldn't go that far. Both only 23... curious how the Twins make room on 40-man...

#6 edavis0308

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:24 PM

A no hit infielder and a very hittable lefty. Face Palm.

#7 FrodaddyG

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

So a hitter with a career minor league OPS of .666 over ~2500 PAs, and a pitcher whose walks have trended up and K's have trended down every step up the ladder until his 17 innings of AAA ball this year. Yay?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:27 PM

Looks like a utility guy and a reliever. Meh.

#9 FrodaddyG

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

A no hit infielder and a very hittable lefty. Face Palm.

Well, you certainly can't argue that there's no consistency in what the organization looks for.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

Well, the predictions were that the Twin were going to flip him for jack **** - they were right. They could have at least traded him to the NL or at very least the AL East or West for jack ****. This cuts the cake... what a sham.

#11 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:29 PM

Baseball America had Escobar as Sox 10th rated player & Hernandex as 23rd best for San Diego..before his Dec trade to Sox for Carlos Quentin. Cant really find anything good to say

#12 FrodaddyG

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:30 PM

I guess JR should have taken the Bundy/Machado offer when he had the chance.

#13 notoriousgod71

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:31 PM

This is just laughable. No reason whatsoever to trade Liriano for this garbage.

#14 FrodaddyG

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:33 PM

This is just laughable. No reason whatsoever to trade Liriano for this garbage.

Hey, what are the odds you could get the 20-something best Padres prospect with a sandwich pick?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:33 PM

Just one more reason that TR no longer has it as a GM, he had his fingers all over BS's moves as well.

#16 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:35 PM

Hernandez still has only made 7 appearances in AAA, 6 starts & 21gms 20 starts @ AA @ age 23. BAmerica says he occasionally hits 95 but mostly is in low 90s but is gonna be a reliever if he's to be a major leaguer. 40 man roster wise....Luis Perdomo could be gone already

#17 gunnarthor

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:35 PM

Escobar was ranked the Sox #8 prospect by fangraphs - strong glove, no bat - "CAREER OUTLOOK: There is no sign of an opportunity for Escobar to start at shortstop anytime soon in Chicago so he’ll either be trade bait or end up filling a utility role for the club. Either way he offers enough potential to put forth a respectable big league career."

Frankly, this seems like what a Liriano haul should've looked like.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:38 PM

Just remember that while Billy was the GM he deferred all scouting and personnel moves to TR and his good ole boys. Billy is responsible for the Mauer contract and other terrible contracts but TR and the Good Ole Boys are the reason there is no talent in the organization. This trade is more of the same.


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#19 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

Both players are headed to AAA....PJ Walters to 60 day DL....who comes up from AAA as they were at 24 players

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

I'm coining the phrase "Mateo Tolberto" to be used for any reference to "utility guy from the Liriano trade" from this point forward.

#21 Danchat

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

Escobar was ranked the Sox #8 prospect by fangraphs - strong glove, no bat - "CAREER OUTLOOK: There is no sign of an opportunity for Escobar to start at shortstop anytime soon in Chicago so he’ll either be trade bait or end up filling a utility role for the club. Either way he offers enough potential to put forth a respectable big league career."

Frankly, this seems like what a Liriano haul should've looked like.

So we are basically getting a replacement for Alexi Casilla next season?
Great, now Duensing or Swarzak (when healthy) will be made into starters at this rate with another young bullpen guy. Hopefully Jeff Gray gets DFA.

#22 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

woulda rather had the sandwich pick. Is this a alternative way of telling Frankie that he's not highly wanted so that they can resign him in offseason??

#23 greenland on the map

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:44 PM

My only solace in this trade is the hope that Fran will revert to his old ways and sabotage the White Sox playoff run. Then it will have been worth it. Sort of

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:45 PM

Trading him to a division rival does not hurt us this year, but if the Sox resign him we could be screwed.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:46 PM

I'm coining the phrase "Mateo Tolberto" to be used for any reference to "utility guy from the Liriano trade" from this point forward.


Funny... I'll try to remember this. The Twins are the Chumps in this one, further escalated by trading with the enemy. What a splendid hand job this was.

#26 Rivas#1Fan

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:46 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:48 PM

So we are basically getting a replacement for Alexi Casilla next season?
Great, now Duensing or Swarzak (when healthy) will be made into starters at this rate with another young bullpen guy. Hopefully Jeff Gray gets DFA.


What did you think we'd get? Liriano is a bad pitcher and will make about 10 more starts this season. A Punto like UI and a 5th starter/bullpen arm is about right. We still have valuable trading chips in Span and Willingham.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:48 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.


If this is true, then I think they should have kept Liriano.

I see nothing good about this trade.

#29 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:49 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that the market for Liriano was not what we had hoped for? I'm all for criticizing the moves of the front office, but not even the most inept of general managers would trade a Major League starter within the division, for mediocre prospects, if something better were available.


Welcome Terry Ryan

#30 daveha

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:49 PM

Oh, great. Since we are trailing the White Sox by 314 games this year, this trade can only hurt us next year when, thanks to these brilliant acquisitions, we obviously become the odds-on favorite to win the division. This makes the Garza and Santana trades look like strokes of genius by comparison. Storm the castle!