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Game Thread: Twins @ Rangers, 6/28 @ 3:05pm CT

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#1 ChiTownTwinsFan

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 10:59 AM

Game-time forecast: Partly cloudy. Winds blowing in from right field at 15-20 m.p.h. Temperature around 90.

Twins:
SP, Hughes

Fuld CF
Dozier 2B
Mauer 1B
Morales DH
Arcia RF
Suzuki C
Parmelee LF
Escobar 3B
Florimon SS

Rangers:
SP, Darvish

Choo LF
Andrus SS
Pena 1B
Beltre 3B
Murphy DH
Martin CF
Gimenez C
Choice RF
Odor 2B

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Okay, Brian ... give us something ... anything ... it will be appreciated! :)
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Here' something... In Alaska a 180 pound Bear crashed through a skylight and ate the cupcakes they had out of their child's birthday party. It actually happened... I just read it in the paper. I'm wondering how they knew the Bear was 180 pounds? Did the bear weigh itself on the bathroom scale after eating the cupcakes? If so... It was probably a female bear.

Things to think about:

1. Uncle -- I didn't see the game last night and I won't get to watch today either. I wish I could comment about what I'm not seeing but I can't comment on what I'm not seeing because I didn't see it. I just know... the team has to start stringing some W's together and they kinda gotta start NOW!!!

2. Yu Darvish -- It's disappointing to be shut out for 7 plus by Nick Tepesch when the Twins need to start winning some games... And now the Twins are looking at you... I mean... Yu. These are team moments in the course of a season. Yu play them one at a time and Yu take them as they come. But... With You on deck... Yu kinda need to take it to someone named Tepesch when tomorrow is all about You. Things haven't been fantastic for you. You has been touched for 4 runs in 3 out of the past 4 starts. Is You vulnerable? I hope so... Because as a team Yu have put yourself in position that you will have to be vulnerable because Yu need the win... Both Yu and You are in a tough spot. In the end... it comes down to U.

3. Pedro Florimon -- When Pedro was merely hitting .219 and .221... I was never that worried about it. I knew .219 and .221 meant that were times when Pedro Florimon would help the team win a game. However... when you start talking about .093 batting average over 75 at bats... Then you are talking about rare air. I realize that the infield sky came crashing down on your head but .093 makes Butera look like Mel Ott. I'm not sure why I typed Mel Ott... His name just jumped out of my fingers but you all get the point. I will defend Pedro and his defense at .219. Nobody can defend .093. I totally get it that Polanco is here as much needed insurance. He's on the 40 man so nobody has to be kicked out to call up a non 40 man guy. I understand that he's going back as soon as Plouffe is ready... I get it and I support it... But my goodness... 75 at bats and a .093 batting average. Let's be clear... we are talking about history for a non-pitcher. I think it's Ok to play your 3 day insurance policy instead.

4. Phil Hughes -- Is starting today... About the worst thing that could happen is for Phil to spit the bit today. It's Yu vs. Hughes!!! Hughes is Yu plural!!!

5. Class Reunion -- I had a good time catching up with old classmates last night and look forward to doing so again tonight. My wife couldn't make it but she asked... How was it? I thought I'd come up with something funny to say... I said... "It was 50 shades of Grey"... Then she started wondering exactly what the hell went on.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:43 AM

No Polanco again.

I heard Ron Gardenhire on the radio pregame say he didn't intend to start Polanco this weekend, that it wouldn't be fair to the kid
per Edward Thoma

http://fpbaseballoutsider.blogspot.com/2014/06/if-polanco-is-here-he-should-play.html



Wouldn't be fair? How about letting him see what its really about???

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:12 PM

I am disappointed Polanco isn't starting

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

yeah, I don't see the point in calling him up to do pinch hitter duty either.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

I am disappointed Polanco isn't starting


Sigh. I think we all are. Unfortunately, the decision isn't ours to make. Now I'll have to decide ... to listen, or not to listen.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:43 PM

Add me to the list of people who think that Polanco should be starting in place of Florimon.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:51 PM

No Polanco again.

I heard Ron Gardenhire on the radio pregame say he didn't intend to start Polanco this weekend, that it wouldn't be fair to the kid
per Edward Thoma

http://fpbaseballoutsider.blogspot.com/2014/06/if-polanco-is-here-he-should-play.html



Wouldn't be fair? How about letting him see what its really about???


That makes no sense to me. If its not fair to play him, he shouldn't be there at all. If its not fair to start him, it's not fair to ask him to pinch hit in late game situations.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:51 PM

I think it's asking too much of Hughes to take on the Rangers by himself.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:57 PM

[quote name='JB_Iowa']No Polanco again.

I heard Ron Gardenhire on the radio pregame say he didn't intend to start Polanco this weekend, that it wouldn't be fair to the kid
per Edward Thoma

http://fpbaseballoutsider.blogspot.com/2014/06/if-polanco-is-here-he-should-play.html



Wouldn't be fair? How about letting him see what its really about???
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[quote name='USAFChief']That makes no sense to me. If its not fair to play him, he shouldn't be there at all. If its not fair to start him, it's not fair to ask him to pinch hit in late game situations.[/QUOTE]

Our guy has been around for so long, it's really getting much too easy to make a call:

[QUOTE]Today, 10:56 AM[quote name='jokin']TODAY 10:56 AM Oh yeah..... it was the logical, and very telling, move (the other logical move was to PH Parm for Fuld, I still don't get that one).

I wonder if it was telling enough to earn Polanco a starting spot today?

It could probably be rationalized that it's not fair to put the kid in against Darvish, but come on.... Florimon looks as totally lost at the plate as Hicks did in April, 2013, probably worse.[/QUOTE]
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Edited by jokin, 28 June 2014 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:09 PM

That makes no sense to me. If its not fair to play him, he shouldn't be there at all. If its not fair to start him, it's not fair to ask him to pinch hit in late game situations.


I don't think it's fair to Florimon to set him up to fail, either.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:19 PM

That makes no sense to me. If its not fair to play him, he shouldn't be there at all. If its not fair to start him, it's not fair to ask him to pinch hit in late game situations.



While I'd like to see the kid play too, he's only on the active roster for a few days, as emergency infield depth and because he was added to the 40-man roster (probably sooner he would have been, if he was a drafted player) last winter. I'm not sure we have enough of the personal details to criticize the team's judgment. I'm sure the Twins would have preferred to keep him in the minors, but not so much as to make a 40-man roster move. If his stay is extended, well, I agree, he should be getting starts or he shouldn't be here.

I'd also arguing that starting in Texas (against Darvish no less) and pinch hitting for Florimon down by four at the top of the seventh aren't equivalent pressures. The situation was hardly close and late, the exposure in that instance was relatively low-pressure (as least in the Twins' opinion, evidently).

Edited by PseudoSABR, 28 June 2014 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:20 PM

Chris Fee@CJFee 2m
Trevor May to the DL with a right calf strain. Retroactive to 6/26.

Unbelievable.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:24 PM

Chris Fee@CJFee 2m
Trevor May to the DL with a right calf strain. Retroactive to 6/26.

Unbelievable.

That they didn't DL him right away (2 day delay on a calf strain)? That another pitcher gets hurt? Or that if he would have been called up, he wouldn't have gotten hurt?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:27 PM

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:37 PM


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:40 PM


The Twins coaches are bound by a confidentiality agreement not to tell him anything out there? Got it.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:50 PM

The maddening thing about this team is how close, how so very close, we are to flipping our losses to wins. Every loss the past two weeks turned on the Twins needing just one more hit and our pitching needing to make one less mistake. Latest case in point: When Correia got ahead of Belte 0-2 in the 1st, then couldn't get him to fish for a bender, I said firmly to the radio: "Walk him! Rios is slumping big time." And the next thing I hear is THWACK! "It's a line drive home run for Beltre." And Gardy chose to pitch to him again in the 8th with a man on third and only one out. He's the Rangers only offense and we foolishly prefer to announce our presence with authority.

Meanwhile, we score four in the ninth and lose a game that easily could have gone our way. Oy.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:53 PM

The Twins coaches are bound by a confidentiality agreement not to tell him anything out there? Got it.

You're not seriously blaming the coaches are you? Why must the Twins management/front office be held accountable for every player mistake, injury, and slowed player development?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:59 PM

You're not seriously blaming the coaches are you? Why must the Twins management/front office be held accountable for every player mistake, injury, and slowed player development?


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:10 PM

So ... why is this game on mlb.tv but not on Extra Innings?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:13 PM

So ... why is this game on mlb.tv but not on Extra Innings?


I think because it is on Fox Sports 1. Have you flipped around to look for it?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

But if it's on Fox, it shouldn't be on mlb.tv, too, right?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

okay ... JB ... you are just too smart for me ... and thank you ... having too many troubles lately with my internet to even try and watch it online.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:21 PM

Honestly I have no clue how these things work. I just know how to use the remote.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

heh ... sometimes I even have trouble with that!

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:24 PM

It's Fox Sports 1 here in Mpls. Which I think is what they use for their national broadcast now.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:25 PM

You're not seriously blaming the coaches are you? Why must the Twins management/front office be held accountable for every player mistake, injury, and slowed player development?


You make a valid point. The wisecracks and nitpicking gets tiring and I am one of those who can improve.

But yes in this case I would expect some hand-waving from the coaches if Polanco was truly out of position and needed to fix it. And that might be on Molitor as infield coach. But then as you said, it was an 8th-inning, 5-run deficit at that point, low pressure, so maybe Molitor weighed the situation and decided to just let the kid play, and correct/coach after the inning if necessary.

On the other hand, Gardy and Molly might have felt that starting Polanco today would require too much attention for nine innings -- positioning, covering bases, etc. -- and that would be a valid reason for keeping him on the bench too. (setting aside the whole Florimon question.)

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:25 PM

It's Fox Sports 1 here in Mpls. Which I think is what they use for their national broadcast now.


Yep -- because I could be watching reruns of White Collar on Fox.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:29 PM

I don't think it's fair to Florimon to set him up to fail, either.


I don't think its fair to Escobar either