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#1 Brandon

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:20 PM

At the end of last season there was speculation that the Twins may switch managers after their 3rd consecutive 90 loss season. so far this season we are 30 - 32 after today's win 4 games out of the division and 3.0 out of the 2nd wildcard. How would you rate the job Gardenhire has done with the team he has this year? and what are some examples you would use in grading him? I don't get to watch the games out in California so I can only go off of the players stats and teams record.


I am happy with the job as he has plugged players in who have responded and produced. at first it was Colabello and Kubel then Dozier, then Arcia and Willingham. Escobar picked up for Florimon and Danny Santana of all people in CF and thriving. Suzuki has consistently hit .300 all year. Hughes has made it back to prominence, the bullpen is above average despite Burton being terrible. we even have a few decent bench options now, Fuld with speed when healthy, Pinto and occasionally Parmelee with power and Nunez who is hitting .290

there has been the debacle with CF at the beginning of the season and it looks like Santana wants it. Hicks is coming around after dropping switch hitting. So more often then not he has put players into situations where they would succeed and the team hasn't wasted too much time when they lost effectiveness in replacing them.

But mostly I am happy the Twins are playing competitive baseball. I don't see them get blown out too often and they are in the .500 range. If all breaks right They could contend for the playoffs. They were 8 games back at the all star break before and made the playoffs right now we are maybe a reliever and starting pitcher away from doing it again.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:51 PM

Overall, he's done a really good job. I can't excuse anyone for the Bartlett fiasco and he's loyal to a fault to a couple of vets, but the man knows baseball and the club has performed well.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:18 PM

I agree with Avon Barksdale's friend. One additional quibble- Gardy did use Matt Guerrier in a meaningful situation recently. It's bothersome enough that Guerrier is on the roster at all. It's going to be way too irresistible for Gardy not to being rolling Matty out there with the game on the line going forward.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:40 PM

Im not a Gardenhire fan, never have been, and I could say I would have done different things in different situations.........but for the players we have, I would say we should be around .500 and we are..........now if Morales is what we think he might be, that should or could put us in contention for a WCard, and if we falter badly, I might again put that on Gardenhire........but for now, I have to say he is doing, record wise what I think he should have..........I want the Twins to win, but I kind of thought if we had another terrible year, we could rid ourselves of Gardenhire..........but it seems like the players like their manager.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

I'd say he's done better than the gnome would.
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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:53 PM

I'd say he's done better than the gnome would.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:01 PM

I haven't been pleased with the consistency of the bullpen this year, but I don't think you can blame that on Gardy. Guerrier is a proven relief pitcher and has the mental "stuff" to be effective. His breaking balls break and his fastball hits their spots. However, hitters have been hitting him.

The Front office is to blame for the CF confusion, but Gardy coached the team thru that and has given Santana the confidence to go out there and learn on-the-job.

We, the fans, can't see the inside stuff that goes on. We can see some of Pinto's problems and I think Gardy pulled him out of the regular lineup at the right time. Gardy can better see Hicks's struggles than any of us. When u combine the injuries, the low BA and his switching to hitting RH, the manager is the best person to judge if Hicks should be in MLB.

The shortstop situation has been a problem. When Florimon proved to be hopeless at bat, Gardy stayed flexible and fortunately Escobar has been a revelation.

Gardy seems to trust his players and the players can feel that. He stays flexible in difficult situations. He and the coaches seem to have the locker room on his side. I'd give Gardy a B (no manager ever deserves an A. They always make some mistakes.)

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:15 PM

I think he's done well and am glad he's the manager. That said, this thread is going to blow up into "Gardy doesn't like young guys", "Molitor is the reason X is working" and "Gardy is dumb."

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:27 PM

I'd say the coaching as a whole has been markedly better this year.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:36 PM

Three terrible seasons and really not enough talent to expect more. This year is different. His performance and retention needs to be judged by wins. I would set the bar at 85. I think he will get there.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:51 PM

Better than expected, but I disagree with the previous depiction of the Pinto situation. In a chicken/egg situation, did Gardy pull Pinto at the right time? Or did pulling Pinto cause the slump.

My argument would be, hitters suck more in spring training than the regular season and mostly progress with playing time. Pinto had a stretch of two weeks where he played once, and a month where he played like 5 times.

Then suddenly he's gotten some more playing time and sucked, and Gardy has become the savior from Pinto's ineptitude? I think he's the cause in this case.

He's stuck with Guerrier and Burton far too long.

on the other hand, he's stuck by Plouffe, Santana, and Willingham who have paid big dividends. Willingham was stone cold in his rehab assignment, was immediately inserted into the big league lineup and has since been very very good.

overall mixed results, but much better than I anticipated.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:38 PM

I think you have to concede Gardy has done a competent job. Outside of the Bartlett insanity he's managed the roster pretty well when he's had a full deck. Who knows how the team would have performed had Hammer and Arcia not been injured. The batting order as it stands right now looks like one we can ride with on a consistent basis.

More Pinto would be a complaint but I understand the reasoning for the time being.

He's definitely had more to work with this year and he's taken some advantage of it.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:50 PM

He made the all-star team as a bench coach. A+

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

He made the all-star team as a bench coach. A+


He made All Star team as a bench coach , because it is being playing in Minnesota, not for any other reason.........

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:05 PM

Sarcasm missed.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:17 PM

I like Gardy, but have been concerned with his insistence to use Guerrier and Burton. If you ask me, Guerrier must have some "naked pictures" he is using to blackmail Gardy!
Two clubs released him! I close my eyes every time Burton pitches. I have no way of knowing if any of the guys in the minors would be better, but the Twins are never going to be a serious contender with those 2 pitching in crucial situations.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:26 PM

I think I would him a C, C+ at best. My main qualms with the job he's done this season have to do with Josmil Pinto, who for most of the season has been the Twins' 2nd or 3rd best hitter. In order to develop in any regard, he has to be in the lineup, and because of Gardy's refusal to use him as the DH when he is the backup catcher, he has wasted away on the bench far more than was actually necessary.

Another one of my gripes is his weird obsession with infielders in the outfield. He's trotted out some of the weirdest lineups that I can ever remember, with Nunez and Santana in the outfield, and he doesn't seem to make any point of avoiding this when Phil Hughes is starting, as having competent outfielders during his starts is especially important due to his profile as a flyball pitcher.
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Posted 12 June 2014 - 05:45 AM

For the most part I am ok with Gardy. 80% of the time i agree with what he does, 15% i dont but chalk it up to the fact he has forgotten more about baseball then i will ever see or learn but 5% of the time I am like WHAT THE #^#*@*& ARE YOU DOING? ???!!! DID YOU FORGET YOUR MEDS???? WHAT THE $&#^#&*##& DID YOU THINK WOULD ^$&#*&$&$& HAPPEN WHEN YOU DID THAT???? DID YOU LOSE A BET???
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Posted 12 June 2014 - 07:07 AM

Whoa...Pinto has NOT been the 2nd or 3rd best hitter on the Twins for most of the season, at least so long as results are concerned.

I think Gardy has done pretty well, but then I don't have any idea how managers should be evaluated beyond bullpen and PH decisions.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 07:49 AM

I'm confused by the Guerrier dislike... he's pitched 12.2 innings and has a 6.4 H/9 and a 2.8 BB/9... he's not getting hit, and he's not hurting himself excessively with walks. I don't get what the issue is. He's on the roster. He's been successful for a long time, and he's done well in most of his opportunities (11 games so far). I don't get it.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:02 AM

I'm confused by the Guerrier dislike... he's pitched 12.2 innings and has a 6.4 H/9 and a 2.8 BB/9... he's not getting hit, and he's not hurting himself excessively with walks. I don't get what the issue is. He's on the roster. He's been successful for a long time, and he's done well in most of his opportunities (11 games so far). I don't get it.


Based on other comments I've seen, it's the 3 K/9 ratio. I think he's doing just fine though. It's not like he's Burton.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:37 AM

I think part of the deal with Guerrier is that the other "getting the band back together" guys brought so little to the table this year. I think Guerrier got lumped in with Bartlett and Kubel, and a lot of people questioned signing him in the first place at the expense of players that will be with the team in the future.


Now that it is mid-June and the Twins are still in the race for the Division (and the WC), having a pitcher like Guerrier is looking like a better move. Having an established pitcher that is performing well is better for a pennant race than having a pitcher that is being called up for the first time and adjusting to the speed of the major leagues.

Gardenhire gives his veteran players a lot of slack, plays the hot hand, and is not particularly patient with rookies - but so far this year that has translated into a pretty competitive club. We can nitpick the individual in-game choices and question the faith he's put in some players that haven't met expectations, but the overall record should be enough to say that he's done well with the team on the field.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 09:07 AM

I think the IF in the OF was a pretty smart move. When your OF are all injured and the one who isn't is failing miserably then turning to Nunez and Santana when that's all you have is all you can do. The fact that Santana is hitting .370 almost 100 plate appearances in is better than anyone can expect. Playing CF will hinder his learning curve at SS. But maybe Santana just became our stop gap CF till Buxton arrives in 2016 at the rate he is healing. Escobar is doing fine at SS.

I also don't get the Guerrier hate. He was good for so many years here without the dominating stuff.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 09:10 AM

Gardy's been mostly fine, but from the sound of it, Molitor has been the one responsible for the influence on defensive shifts.

Also with Ryan out, I half suspect that Gardy was behind getting the band back together and handing undeserved 25-man roster spots to Bartlett, Kubel and Guerrier. Anthony isn't a baseball guy, I don't think he was making those calls. I'm not making any judgments as to what degree those moves worked, just that they seemed to be made out of sentimentality rather than baseball sense.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

just that they seemed to be made out of sentimentality rather than baseball sense.


I'm sure Gardy would deny sentimentality played any role, but he'd be harder pressed to convince me that wishful thinking wasn't the biggest motivator.

Edited by ashburyjohn, 12 June 2014 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:31 AM

Gardy's been mostly fine, but from the sound of it, Molitor has been the one responsible for the influence on defensive shifts.

Also with Ryan out, I half suspect that Gardy was behind getting the band back together and handing undeserved 25-man roster spots to Bartlett, Kubel and Guerrier. Anthony isn't a baseball guy, I don't think he was making those calls. I'm not making any judgments as to what degree those moves worked, just that they seemed to be made out of sentimentality rather than baseball sense.


Ryan signed the guys to minor league contracts. It is not Gardenhire who signs players
Guerrier was in the minors up to the last possible moment, giving Tonkin every chance to work out. Had Tonkin worked out, there would be something different for people to complain about.
Antony not a baseball guy? The guy that signs the players to the contracts should have a fairly decent idea of what goes on during a baseball game. It isn't like anyone has come up from AAA this spring and made the decisions look bad other than Santana. I don't think anyone saw this sort of production out of Santana.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

I think the IF in the OF was a pretty smart move. When your OF are all injured and the one who isn't is failing miserably then turning to Nunez and Santana when that's all you have is all you can do. The fact that Santana is hitting .370 almost 100 plate appearances in is better than anyone can expect. Playing CF will hinder his learning curve at SS. But maybe Santana just became our stop gap CF till Buxton arrives in 2016 at the rate he is healing. Escobar is doing fine at SS.

I also don't get the Guerrier hate. He was good for so many years here without the dominating stuff.


We also turned to Escobar in the outfield, with a result of -1 game. Hang that one on the manager, not the player. This while Parmelee was available in AAA.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:05 PM

I actually think Gardy has done a good job with the rotation, using the starters for the right amount of innings, getting them out in time (Correia's last one), and generally leaving Suzuki to catch Hughes. We're down to a 12 man staff, so smaller bullpen, and Gardy has adjusted.

I will confess I am a bit prejudiced against Guerrier, mainly because he's part of the band, and I think that was really questionable to have a ton of these guys from the glory days hanging around camp.

I think we went with Kubel too long. We needed him until May 26 when Hammer and Arcia came off DL, but the writing was on the wall by then. Kubel got four more starts after that and we lost two of those games by a run. Yet Kubel really was an asset early on, so it's hard to judge his net contribution. Twins are in a good spot today with lots of baseball left to play and managin' left to do.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:27 PM

I will post what I usually do about Gardy. .....I often disagree with his tactics, it boggles my mind that he is terrified of losing the DH, pinch running decisions, ugh. But there is something more to being a manager we never see, and he seems to be good at those aspects. I judge coaches and managers by outcomes. .... are they winning? Are players improving? Do they do the little things well? Right now, they get a B from me.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:49 PM

Ryan signed the guys to minor league contracts. It is not Gardenhire who signs players
Guerrier was in the minors up to the last possible moment, giving Tonkin every chance to work out. Had Tonkin worked out, there would be something different for people to complain about.
Antony not a baseball guy? The guy that signs the players to the contracts should have a fairly decent idea of what goes on during a baseball game. It isn't like anyone has come up from AAA this spring and made the decisions look bad other than Santana. I don't think anyone saw this sort of production out of Santana.


I didn't say they weren't decent free agent signings, I actually liked them all on their minor league contracts. That's different than putting them on the 25-man though. None of them did a thing to earn a spot on the MLB roster. Guerrier did have to wait, but they put him on the roster intead of letting him opt out. There were a half dozen bullpen arms in Rochester that were pitching better than he was.

But again, I'm not making judgments on how those players have performed for the MLB club, only that they almost certainly got their 25-man spot due to a past relationship with the club, not on recent merit.

And Anthony does sign the guys to contracts, he's a numbers guy. I really doubt the whole organization defers to his baseball accumen when Ryan is out of the office.