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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:28 AM

According to 1500espn, Drew Butera is headed to Los Angeles to join the Twins. Right now, he is a possible addition to the Rochester roster, pending what they learn about the wrist of Justin Morneau. Of the players on the 40 man roster, Butera makes the most sense. Joe Mauer will likely get more time at 1B with Ryan Doumit doing the catching. Of course, this doesn't bode well for Chris Parmelee who needs to play. Of the three catchers that went to camp with the Twins and started the season in Rochester, Butera has far-and-away been playing the best.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:33 AM

Interesting. They must be expecting to put Morneau on the DL. Really hope it doesn't come to that.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:34 AM

As long as Butera remains as bench insurance with Doughnut and Mauer getting in the line up everyday, I am cool with this.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:36 AM

As long as Butera remains as bench insurance with Doughnut and Mauer getting in the line up everyday, I am cool with this.


That's not going to happen. We all know this. Drew will get too many at bats,just as Clete Thomas did early.

What a weak bench. Burroughs/Drew/Clete ? Yuck

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:39 AM

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:42 AM

That's not going to happen. We all know this. Drew will get too many at bats,just as Clete Thomas did early.

What a weak bench. Burroughs/Drew/Clete ? Yuck

Understand your skepticism, but I'm not so sure this time around. I think Doumit has been serviceable enough at catcher that Butera won't get much run.

Just be prepared for the inevitability that either Mauer or Doumit (or both) are going to break at some point this year, so Butera and Towles will play some role on this team.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:44 AM

That's not going to happen. We all know this. Drew will get too many at bats,just as Clete Thomas did early.

What a weak bench. Burroughs/Drew/Clete ? Yuck

Yes, starting to look a lot like last years bench, unfortunately. If Morneau is headed to DL, seems like a perfect time to call up Revere. He can platoon in right with Plouffe, put Doumit at DH and Parmalee at 1B. Much better than dealing with Clete and/or Butera in the lineup most days and YOU know that is going to happen. Gardy's fascination with backup catchers wins out again. Sorry guys, you can try and spin this in a positive light all you want. There is no reason for Drew Butera to be on a major league roster at this point in his career, he is a net negative, you might as well have your pitcher hit.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:45 AM

Awesome. Can't wait to read about him all year long again this year. Can't wait to watch him "hit" again this year. But, I do agree, a catcher makes the most sense, with Mauer at 1B. But that catcher should only be used 1 time a week, max, not all the time. But I have a bad feeling about this, and their obsession with catcher defense.
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#9 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:50 AM

Butera will be the 3rd catcher... He will hardly play and he'll not hit much... I get the snide sarcasm, but it's not a big deal... The big deal is losing Morneau, if that's what happens.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:53 AM

Yes, starting to look a lot like last years bench, unfortunately. If Morneau is headed to DL, seems like a perfect time to call up Revere. He can platoon in right with Plouffe, put Doumit at DH and Parmalee at 1B. Much better than dealing with Clete and/or Butera in the lineup most days and YOU know that is going to happen. Gardy's fascination with backup catchers wins out again. Sorry guys, you can try and spin this in a positive light all you want. There is no reason for Drew Butera to be on a major league roster at this point in his career, he is a net negative, you might as well have your pitcher hit.


I like this idea. Being able to keep Parmelee at first and Doumit at DH makes sense.
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#11 Mr. Ed

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:53 AM

Joe C has confirmed the promotion of Butera; no official corresponding move has been made.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:56 AM

Butera will be the 3rd catcher... He will hardly play and he'll not hit much... I get the snide sarcasm, but it's not a big deal...

The big deal is losing Morneau, if that's what happens.


We'll see, I bet he catches whenever Pavano starts though. The Twins aren't so deep that they can afford the luxury of carrying 3 catchers, especially while they are carrying 13 pitchers, it makes no sense to have a guy on your bench that you can't count on to pinch hit or pinch run, just "in case" one of your other catchers gets hurt. It's stupid, and no amount of trying to say it's not a big deal changes that fact. If he's not going to play much, then why bother having him on the bench? It's a waste of resources, especially when your bench is already too thin.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:57 AM

Twins should lop off Thomas now and bring up Mastroianni. Can't do any worse than Thomas has been.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:58 AM

Maybe they are getting rid of Clete??? Let's hope that is the case and not Morneau to the DL.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

Also doesn't help any that Thomas/Plouffe/Burroughs are contributing very little. Organization lack of high-level depth back in play again.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

I hope that Morneau is healthy. In the beginning of the season the Twins had a nice bench. Right now, the bench is Clete Thomas, Drew Butera and Sean Burroughs, 3 players who are at best AAAA players. This is just not too good. And, regardless what we would like to believe about Butera's playing time, he will play... He is the only RH bat off the bench and I suspect that he will resume the role of Pavano's personal catcher. It just sucks, but the writing has been on the wall.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

Best case is Morneau is fine and we get rid of a pitcher...Burnett...
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#18 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:02 AM

Best case is Morneau is fine and we get rid of a pitcher...Burnett...


Burnett's been pretty good so far.

#19 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:03 AM

"The Twins aren't so deep that they can afford the luxury of carrying 3 catchers, especially while they are carrying 13 pitchers," When the first two catchers are every day players, then the third catcher is really the backup catcher... He's really the #2 catcher, regardless of which starting catcher starts that day and which plays another position. I do agree that carrying 13 pitchers is a bit much.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:05 AM

Burnett's been pretty good so far.


Who do you think we should get rid of? Big reason I said Burnett is I know he still has an option left and I'd rather not see us flat out release someone.
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#21 whydidnt

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:06 AM

For fun, just looked at the rest of the AL's rosters. Guess what, your Twins are now the ONLY team in the AL carrying 3 catchers. Yet, some will still argue that Gardy doesn't have an obsession with having a backup catcher. It's a flaw and Ryan shouldn't feed the beast by giving him this unneeded safety net.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:12 AM

Of the three catchers that went to camp with the Twins and started the season in Rochester, Butera has far-and-away been playing the best.


Well, let's hope he doesn't forget everything he learned in AAA the minute he steps off the plane.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:18 AM

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Edited by ashburyjohn, 01 May 2012 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:22 AM

Interesting. They must be expecting to put Morneau on the DL. Really hope it doesn't come to that.


As soon as I saw mid-game that Morneau had come out due to a wrist problem, and seeing his .536 OPS ever since his 2-HR game, I thought of posting a forum question, "who do the Twins bring up to replace Justin?". It has DL written all over it; something the manager and front office knew about and were hoping would work itself out on its own. The wrist will be examined, and the only two possible outcomes will be "surgery" or "rest". No doctor is going to say "get back out on the field, you big baby." Because, Morneau is not a big baby. This is bad.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:25 AM

Kinda surprised that no one has broke up Mauer's foul-ball knee in this thread. My guess is Joe might not be behind the plate for a few days and Gardy wants a catcher on hand to back up Doumit. So if Butera catches Pavano every 5th day until Mauer is fully healed and Morneau returns from the Twin Cities or the DL - whichever the case - then this move seems justified to me. If Butera hangs around once Mauer's knee is better, then I will join the angst.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:30 AM

Kinda surprised that no one has broke up Mauer's foul-ball knee in this thread. My guess is Joe might not be behind the plate for a few days and Gardy wants a catcher on hand to back up Doumit. So if Butera catches Pavano every 5th day until Mauer is fully healed and Morneau returns from the Twin Cities or the DL - whichever the case - then this move seems justified to me. If Butera hangs around once Mauer's knee is better, then I will join the angst.


You bring up a good point regarding Mauer's knee. If he isn't able to play C for a few days, then yes it does make sense to have a 3rd C. Hope that's all there is to it.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:33 AM

And that means Plouffe gets to make or break himself as the right fielder. So sad...would rather see Revere out there for a couple of weeks with Plouffe on the bench. I also do wish we had Hughes (sigh) instead of Burroughs. Bench is pretty darn sucky right now.....

#28 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:33 AM

Yet, some will still argue that Gardy doesn't have an obsession with having a backup catcher. It's a flaw and Ryan shouldn't feed the beast by giving him this unneeded safety net.


Every manager wants a backup catcher. There isn't one manager in baseball that doesn't. Again, When Mauer catches, Doumit plays somewhere else. And vice versa. So every day, Butera would be the backup catcher. Yes, it is a third catcher, but when the other two are starting every day, I don't have a problem with it at all.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:34 AM

You bring up a good point regarding Mauer's knee. If he isn't able to play C for a few days, then yes it does make sense to have a 3rd C. Hope that's all there is to it.


This also should not be minimized. If he couldn't run last night, I'm completely on board with him not catching for a few days. Just adds to this move making sense.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:41 AM

Every manager wants a backup catcher. There isn't one manager in baseball that doesn't. Again, When Mauer catches, Doumit plays somewhere else. And vice versa. So every day, Butera would be the backup catcher. Yes, it is a third catcher, but when the other two are starting every day, I don't have a problem with it at all.


If both Doumit and Mauer are in the lineup, the other guy is still the backup. What difference does it make if they are in the lineup or not? The Tigers went through almost all of 2010 with Avila and Martinez in the same situation as Mauer and Doumit, only rarely having a 3rd catcher on the roster and somehow managed to win the division. When Olivo got hurt this year, the Mariners to decided they could live with Jaso and Montero, despite the fact Montero will be DHing most days. I suspect the only reason they had 3 guys to begin with is that neither Jaso or Olivo is really a starter. It's just a waste of a roster spot unless one of your guys is actually banged up. That's the only time a team should carry a third C unless it's a guy that you can count on as a pinch hitter, which Butera is definitely not.