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Twins Prez Interested in Move From CR to St. Paul?

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In September of 2012, the Minnesota Twins announced a four-year affiliation agreement with the Cedar Rapids Kernels, with the Twins’ then-Senior Director of Minor Leagues Jim Rantz telling the media, “We are confident that this relationship will grow into one of the strongest affiliations in minor league baseball.”

Less than two years later, the Twins organization appears to be flirting with another minor league ownership group with an eye toward moving their Class A Midwest League affiliation to nearby St. Paul, Minnesota, and potentially leaving the Kernels to shop for another new Major League affiliate when their current Player Development Contract expires following the 2016 season.

(This article was originally published at Knuckleballsblog.com.)

According to a story Tuesday in the Business Journal, Minnesota Twins President Dave St. Peter and Derek Sharrer, the General Manager the St. Paul Saints, an independent minor league team, expressed mutual interest in a future affiliation agreement between the two teams.

Their comments were made at the Business Journal’s Business of Sports Power Breakfast Tuesday morning.


But what about 2017 and beyond? (Image: Kernels.com)

“Long-term, there are aspects that make a lot of sense,” St. Peter is quoted as telling the group. “Short-term, it’s more challenging. We have a tremendous partnership with Cedar Rapids and the Kernels. It’s been a home run for the Twins. It’s been strategic for the Twins relative to marketing in the state of Iowa.

“I think it’s something that will require some additional discussions and I’m guessing that dialogue will take place.”

The Twins President did point out that the potential arrangement comes with challenges.

“It’s a bus league, and when you’re in St. Paul and there are teams east of Cleveland, that’s a tough bus trip for your players,” St. Peter said. “Things like that need to be addressed long-term.”

The Saints are in the process of building a new 7.000 seat stadium in St. Paul that’s being built to meet or exceed standards required by baseball for Class AA and lower affiliated teams. The stadium is scheduled to open in 2015.

The Saints are owned by a group that recently agreed to sell the Twins’ Class high-A affiliate in Fort Myers, Florida.

“Our organization has a tremendous amount of respect for Derek and his team,” St. Peter said of the Twins’ relationship with the Saints organization. “We’ve worked very closely with the Saints’ ownership … for 20 years.”

As the Twins President alluded to, there are a number of obstacles that the Twins and Saints would need to overcome before placing an affiliate in St. Paul.

The most likely arrangement would be for the Twins to place their Class A Midwest League affiliate in St. Paul. There are no high-A or AA leagues located in the Midwest and the new Saints stadium is not being built up to AAA standards.

However, putting a Midwest League team in St. Paul would not be a simple matter, either.

For the Twins and Saints to make the plan work, they would need to either seek to have the Midwest League expand by two teams (to keep the number of league teams at an even number for scheduling purposes) or acquire an existing MWL team and move it to St. Paul.

Every Major League team already has a full season Class A affiliate, which would seem to make expansion unlikely.

Acquiring a team and moving it would only be somewhat easier.

Under the current Professional Baseball Agreement between the Major and Minor League governing bodies, every current affiliated minor league team is guaranteed an affiliation. Baseball can’t just tell an existing affiliated team that they’re being kicked out of affiliated minor league baseball.

The Saints ownership would likely need to acquire an existing Midwest League team and relocate it to St. Paul, rather than looking to acquire a team currently competing in another Class A league.

While it would not be totally unheard of for a team to move from one minor league to another, the same scheduling issues that affect expansion would also require any movement between leagues to result in each affected league retaining an even number of teams.

With the eastward migration of Midwest League teams over the past two decades, virtually every club in the Eastern Division of the league is playing in relatively new ballparks and before generally larger crowds than is the case among their Western Division brethren. This would make it much more likely that a current Western Division club would be targeted.

With relatively new or recently renovated ballparks in Appleton WI, Kane County IL, Peoria IL and Iowa clubs in the Quad Cities and Cedar Rapids, it would be unlikely that the teams in those communities would go on the sale block.

That leaves Beloit WI, Clinton IA and Burlington IA, three teams with, perhaps, the most difficult stadium situations left among potential MWL targets.

However, all three of those teams are, like the Kernels, long-time MWL members. More importantly, also like the Kernels, all three clubs are community owned. Prying ownership away from those communities would likely be no easy task.

Finally, even if an existing ownership group were made an offer they can’t refuse, the team would need approval of the other members of the MWL to relocate. That hurdle might not be so easy to overcome, either.

St. Paul is well outside the current MWL footprint. Cedar Rapids is the closest current league city and it’s a good 250 miles from the Twin Cities. Every other MWL community, except Appleton (270 miles) is at least 300 miles from St. Paul.

South Bend IN, at 495 miles, would be the only MWL Eastern Division location less than 500 miles away.

That’s an important consideration for the league, too, because under the terms of the Professional Baseball Agreement rules, players must be given an off day any time they are bused 500 miles or more. Having a team that far outside the league’s current footprint could present a nightmare for MWL schedule-makers.

It also would increase travel costs, not only for the team that relocates, but for every other team in the league that would have to send teams to St. Paul on road trips. Those travel costs are primarily the responsibility of the local team, not their Big League affiliate.

St. Peter is certainly correct in cautioning Twin Cities fans that putting an affiliate in St. Paul would be difficult to arrange, but if the Twins were to decide to make such a move a priority, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that they could throw enough weight around to get what they want. It remains to be seen whether the Twins and Saints are truly interested enough in a marriage to overcome the obstacles.

The agreement between the Kernels and Twins will have young Twins prospects calling Cedar Rapids their summer home for two more years after the current season.

Nevertheless, it’s no doubt disappointing to Twins fans in Eastern Iowa to learn that at least one Twins executive may no longer be interested in seeing the relationship between the Twins and Kernels, “grow into one of the strongest affiliations in minor league baseball.”

Kernels General Manager Doug Nelson, reached Tuesday afternoon while in Comstock Park MI for the Midwest League All-Star game, was asked for his reaction to St. Peter’s statements to the Business Journal.

“The Kernels view our affiliation with the Twins as a long term partnership,” stated Nelson via email.

It is less clear whether the Twins continue to share that view.

Updated 06-18-2014 at 11:29 AM by SD Buhr

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  1. JB_Iowa's Avatar
    Great article, JC.

    To some extent, I view this as typical St. Peter spin. He's on a panel with the Saints. What's he going to say?

    But there have been enough past rumblings to make it a legitimate concern. And 2 years into the agreement, I'd view this as a slap in the face if I were CR.

    Also, I can see the real advantage of having your AAA or even AA team right next door. I see less advantage in having the A club there. Especially when it is currently a reasonably easy drive away.
  2. DJL44's Avatar
    I see Rochester, MN as a much more viable Midwest League location due to the closer proximity but they would need to build the stadium.
  3. Rosterman's Avatar
    It is just talk. The logistics would be a pain, and the Twins would basically be taking over the new Saints stadium. It would've fun for us fans, with enough levels of play between major and minor.

    What concerns me more is that we are building this stadium in St. Paul and sounds like the Saints aren't a longterm deal (or indy ball baseball). That is what is scary. What kinda team or baseball will be in this new stadium in the years too come.
  4. jokin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman
    It is just talk. The logistics would be a pain, and the Twins would basically be taking over the new Saints stadium. It would've fun for us fans, with enough levels of play between major and minor.

    What concerns me more is that we are building this stadium in St. Paul and sounds like the Saints aren't a longterm deal (or indy ball baseball). That is what is scary. What kinda team or baseball will be in this new stadium in the years too come.
    Veeck has some deep-pocket backers and always finds a way to stay viable. It seems to me that as much as this area loves building new stadiums, the new St Paul stadium can be quickly upgraded to AAA standards, and that getting a AAA team in St Paul is the ultimate goal.
  5. SD Buhr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jokin
    Veeck has some deep-pocket backers and always finds a way to stay viable. It seems to me that as much as this area loves building new stadiums, the new St Paul stadium can be quickly upgraded to AAA standards, and that getting a AAA team in St Paul is the ultimate goal.
    Upgrading the stadium to AAA would require, among other things, seating expanded to 10,000+.

    I'm not sure the Twins would want their AAA club across the river. In down years at Target Field, a AAA team in St. Paul could potentially canibalize attendance in ways that an indy team doesn't and a Class A team wouldn't.

    And the Saints couldn't go shopping for a different MLB affiliate the way other minor league teams can because the only way they (or anyone) can put an affiliated team anywhere close to Minneapolis is if the Twins waive their territorial restriction rights. The Twins certainly would not do that for any team they weren't affiliated with.
  6. strumdatjag's Avatar
    Another idea: Move the Twins AAA affiliate to Fargo-Moorhead, which has a similar population in its metro area to Rochester. It's general geographic area has fewer people, but the local fans are Twins fans already and would probably have more interest in a Twins affiliate than those who live in Upstate New York. Moreover, a few of those fans of the Fargo affiliate would then be encouraged to see the players they followed at Target Field both on TV (better ratings) and on a few extra trips to the big league park. Maybe a few Twin Cities fans would go to Fargo to catch a game. The Team would play in the Pacific Coast League with teams from Des Moines, Omaha . . . Leave the low A team in Cedar Rapids.
  7. OleJC's Avatar
    Love this idea, and would love a AAA club nearby too. But rather than Fargo/Moorhead, I was thinking Sioux Falls. Decent sized city, closer to Omaha for a nice little rivarly. Plus a nice little bonus for those of us in SW Minnesota!
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