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  • Twins Trade Francisco Liriano To White Sox

    The Minnesota Twins traded Francisco Liriano to the White Sox tonight for infielder Eduardo Escobar and left-handed pitcher Pedro Hernandez. Liriano was scheduled to start Sunday's game versus the Cleveland Indians. Brian Duensing will take his turn in the rotation.

    Neither prospect the Twins received is highly, or even semi-highly, regarded. Escobar was not in Baseball America's list of the White Sox top 10 prospects prior to the season. He was #7 on Baseball Prospectus' list, but is listed as a 2-star (out of five) prospect.

    Escobar is just 23 years old and has spent this year in the majors with the White Sox. It's not clear why; it appears he have two option years left and it's hard to make a case that he's earned that promotion. Last year he hit .266 with a .303 OBP in AAA. In fact, his career OBP through all the levels of the minors is just .315 and he's struck out 100+ times in his last two years. Not too surprisingly, he's hitting .195 in the majors, albeit in just 92 plate appearances.

    Pedro Hernandez also did not not make Baseball America's top 10 and ranked 15th on the Baseball Prospectus list. He's pitched at three level this year: 12 starts in AA, two starts in AAA and a single major league start. But he's clearly been rushed through AAA with just six starts. He's 23 years old.

    He fits the stereotyped Twins pitcher - good control but not dominating stuff, or at least dominating as measure by strikeouts. His career minor league average is 7.4 K/9, which is below average. This year in AA he posted a 2.06 ERA - but also struck out just 37 batters in 68 IP. That's a lower rate than even Nick Blackburn had in AA.

    Hernandez has also never pitcher more than 116 inning in the minors or had more than 18 starts. He has been used as a reliever several time throughout the minors. However, he has shown outstanding control with a K to BB ratio approaching 5:1, although that has suffered as he has made his way up the minor league ladder.

    I've made the mistake several times of leaping to conclusions about lower level prospects that Terry Ryan has targeted who have turned out far better than I might have hoped. Jason Bartlett and Alexi Casilla both some to mind, and I'm sure there are more. But at first glance, it looks like Liriano was traded to a division rival for two C prospects that might fill needs but are long shots to have any long-lasting impact on the organization.
    Comments 189 Comments
    1. FrodaddyG's Avatar
      FrodaddyG -
      Quote Originally Posted by 70charger View Post
      Dude, look up the new CBA and while you're at it, quit spewing this line.
      The CBA where the Twins give a qualifying offer and get a comp pick when he declines? That CBA?
    1. gunnarthor's Avatar
      gunnarthor -
      Quote Originally Posted by FrodaddyG View Post
      Say I offer you $50K (paid up front) to work for my company next year. I then offer you $100K (all up front) to work for my company for the next for three years, but there's a 10% chance you'll be crippled in a car accident in the next year and never work again. Either way, you keep all the money. Which do you take?
      The problem is you're assuming another team would be dumb enough to offer Liriano a multi-year contract. There's no reason to think that happens. If he finishes the season pitching like he had been over the last month, then maybe someone takes that gamble. If he continues to struggle (a good bet with his track record) no one makes that offer.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      After his last start against them I'm guessing the white sox wanted him for bp
    1. FrodaddyG's Avatar
      FrodaddyG -
      Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
      The problem is you're assuming another team would be dumb enough to offer Liriano a multi-year contract. There's no reason to think that happens. If he finishes the season pitching like he had been over the last month, then maybe someone takes that gamble. If he continues to struggle (a good bet with his track record) no one makes that offer.
      Someone is offering him a multi-year deal. This I promise you. The flashes of dominance he shows are like GM catnip for a free agent. It's not liek there's going to be a huge crop of great FA pitchers this offseason.
    1. Badsmerf's Avatar
      Badsmerf -
      I'm speechless. Actually, **** it. This team is going to be **** for a while, might as well roll in it.
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rivas#1Fan View Post
      Come on guys! Liriano is not good enough to warrant 4+ pages worth of discussions of his trade.
      Trading only the 2nd starter who can boast a career K/9 over 7.80 for such a light haul seems like a big deal to me.
    1. Top Gun's Avatar
      Top Gun -
      Twins acquired INF Eduardo Escobar and LHP Pedro Hernandez from the White Sox for LHP Francisco Liriano.

      Escobar is batting just .207/.281/.276 in 36 major league games this season and produced a weak .666 OPS across 579 games in the minors. He's only 23 years old but the infielder seems doubtful to ever become a reliable everyday player in the bigs.
    1. Rivas#1Fan's Avatar
      Rivas#1Fan -
      On the bright side, this trade is going to save me the money I would have had to spend on cotton candy for the nephew, when I'm able to leave early after Duensing gives up 8 runs in 5 innings.
    1. minn55441's Avatar
      minn55441 -
      Quote Originally Posted by FrodaddyG View Post
      Say I offer you $50K (paid up front) to work for my company next year. I then offer you $100K (all up front) to work for my company for the next for three years, but there's a 10% chance you'll be crippled in a car accident in the next year and never work again. Either way, you keep all the money. Which do you take?
      I understand, but the point of the matter is that you don't get both offers at the same time. I have to yes or no to the 50K for one year, without knowing what other offers are out there.

      I'll take the 50K for one year and I think Frankie would take the 12+ million for next year and worry about his contract for 2014 later.
    1. John Bonnes's Avatar
      John Bonnes -
      You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?84...o-To-White-Sox
    1. Bark's Lounge's Avatar
      Bark's Lounge -
      Twins trade make Bark sad. Bark want smash things!
    1. 70charger's Avatar
      70charger -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
      Trading only the 2nd starter who can boast a career K/9 over 7.80 for such a light haul seems like a big deal to me.
      Peripheral. Even if you include his ridiculously dominant 2006 campaign, Liriano has a career ERA+ of 97.

      Leave out the 2006 season he's been staking his reputation on for six whole years and he's a pretty crappy pitcher.
    1. greengoblinrulz's Avatar
      greengoblinrulz -
      Just an observation....
      MN seems to be more likely to trade for a player w/MLB experience than bring up their own
      How often have the Twins called up a player to make their debut @ 23 or younger (not including Sept callups).....not often
      Both players obtained today @ 23 made their MLB debuts this year
      Delmon, CGomez both made their debuts with another team @ 21...Lester Oliveras was 23 w/DET
      Of this roster....Mauer is one @ 21, Alex Burnett was 22, Liam Hendriks was 22 (Sept) , Perk was 23 (Sept..4gms) Alexi was 21 (Sept), Justin 22, Revere 22 (Sept), Benson/Parmellee (both 23 & Sept callups).
    1. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
      YourHouseIsMyHouse -
      Every night I will cry myself to sleep upon having to see Liriano pitch for the White Sox. Awful trade and I'd almost rather keep Liriano for half a season than get those scrubs.
    1. elephanthater's Avatar
      elephanthater -
      i agree, we got nothing out of this. I just do not get this dumping of players to division rivals for no talent in return (delmon last year to tigers, and now this).
    1. John Bonnes's Avatar
      John Bonnes -
      The ONLY was I can think to justify this trade is if they thing or know that Liriano is hurt, possibly seriously hurt. Otherwise, this is just foolish.
    1. Rivas#1Fan's Avatar
      Rivas#1Fan -
      Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
      Just an observation....
      MN seems to be more likely to trade for a player w/MLB experience than bring up their own
      How often have the Twins called up a player to make their debut @ 23 or younger (not including Sept callups).....not often
      Both players obtained today @ 23 made their MLB debuts this year
      Delmon, CGomez both made their debuts with another team @ 21...Lester Oliveras was 23 w/DET
      Of this roster....Mauer is one @ 21, Alex Burnett was 22, Liam Hendriks was 22 (Sept) , Perk was 23 (Sept..4gms) Alexi was 22, Justin 22, Revere 22 (Sept), Benson/Parmellee (both 23 & Sept callups).
      You would think that if a team were truly rebuilding this number should be higher. Why not see what you have in house before signing or trading for a veteran (looking at your Jim Hoey, Jeff Gray, Jamey Carrol, etc.)?
    1. one_eyed_jack's Avatar
      one_eyed_jack -
      I assumed Frankie would be traded, but I'm surprised it was to the Whities. I also thought we might get a little more than that, but then again, how much can you really expect for a rental of an enigma?

      Oh well, may he be as frustrating for the Whities as he's been for the Twins.

      Suppose there's a game 163 between Detroit and Chicago, and it comes down to a battle between Frankie and Delmon - what would happen? Would that violate the laws of physics or something? They couldn't both lose the game for their team on the same play.
    1. greengoblinrulz's Avatar
      greengoblinrulz -
      Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
      Just an observation....
      MN seems to be more likely to trade for a player w/MLB experience than bring up their own
      How often have the Twins called up a player to make their debut @ 23 or younger (not including Sept callups).....not often
      Both players obtained today @ 23 made their MLB debuts this year
      Delmon, CGomez both made their debuts with another team @ 21...Lester Oliveras was 23 w/DET
      Of this roster....Mauer is one @ 21, Alex Burnett was 22, Liam Hendriks was 22 (Sept) , Perk was 23 (Sept..4gms) Alexi was 22, Justin 22, Revere 22 (Sept), Benson/Parmellee (both 23 & Sept callups).
      @ Rochester
      Luke French was 23 in his debut w/SEA, Eric Hurley was 22 w/TEX, Shairon Martis was 21 w/Wash, Sean Burroughs was 21 w/SD......so its not always a good thing
    1. Bark's Lounge's Avatar
      Bark's Lounge -
      I started a joke, which started the whole world crying,
      But I didn't see that the joke was on me, oh no.
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