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  • Twins vs White Sox, 07-25-2012, 1:10pm

    The Twins bullpen was shelled for nine runs last night as the White Sox drubbed Minnesota 11-4. Wasting a quality start from Cole De Vries (6 IP, 2 runs, 1 earned), the Twins pen disintegrated, allowing nine runs in three innings pitched with five walks. Not the type of performance you want to make against a division rival.

    In the getaway game, we'll see a rejuvenated Nick Blackburn take on a rejuvenated Jake Peavy. Pitching well in his last start, Blackburn looks to cement his spot in the rotation for the rest of the summer. We'll see how well that works, given US Cellular's bandbox nature and Nick's proclivity to give up the long ball when his sinker isn't working.

    What do you expect from Blackburn today? What member of the Twins lineup will step up and drive in some runs after Willingham's one-man show last night? Join the Twins Daily discussion below!

    Nick Blackburn

    W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
    SEASON 4 5 7.46 14 14 0 0 70.0 97 58 58 15 0 22 0 32 .327 1.70 1.22
    MLB Totals 43 51 4.76 140 132 5 0 790.0 957 467 418 109 18 198 11 378 .300 1.46 1.33

    Jake Peavy

    W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
    SEASON 7 7 3.22 19 19 4 1 134.0 113 50 48 14 6 27 0 120 .228 1.04 0.65
    MLB Totals 116 88 3.45 270 269 13 6 1715.1 1497 691 658 173 59 526 37 1674 .234 1.18 0.95

    Twins Offense
    RK Player Team Pos G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
    1 Mauer, J MIN C 89 329 52 109 21 1 6 45 52 50 4 1 .331 .422 .456 .878
    2 Revere, B MIN RF 62 257 31 80 8 3 0 15 14 21 21 5 .311 .349 .366 .715
    3 Doumit, R MIN C 79 275 32 79 19 1 10 46 21 58 0 0 .287 .340 .473 .813
    4 Span, D MIN CF 89 358 44 101 24 2 3 30 35 47 9 6 .282 .345 .385 .731
    5 Willingham, J MIN LF 93 336 57 92 22 1 25 72 51 87 2 1 .274 .385 .568 .953
    6 Mastroianni, D MIN LF 38 80 11 21 1 2 2 9 9 16 9 2 .263 .337 .400 .737
    7 Plouffe, T MIN RF 74 259 44 67 12 0 19 38 26 57 0 3 .259 .330 .525 .855
    8 Morneau, J MIN 1B 74 289 34 73 18 1 11 40 25 59 1 0 .253 .314 .436 .750
    9 Carroll, J MIN SS 90 309 38 74 12 1 0 29 37 47 6 3 .239 .324 .285 .609
    10 Dozier, B MIN SS 67 255 25 60 9 1 4 28 10 46 6 2 .235 .265 .325 .590
    11 Butera, D MIN C 28 74 5 17 5 0 1 4 5 18 0 0 .230 .288 .338 .625
    12 Casilla, A MIN 2B 67 200 16 45 10 1 0 16 9 37 11 1 .225 .259 .285 .544
    13 Komatsu, E MIN RF 15 32 2 7 0 0 0 1 4 3 0 0 .219 .297 .219 .516
    14 Parmelee, C MIN 1B 40 108 10 22 5 1 2 6 9 28 0 0 .204 .283 .324 .607
    15 Hughes, L MIN 2B 4 10 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 4 1 0 .200 .182 .200 .382
    16 Valencia, D MIN 3B 27 100 9 19 5 1 1 11 2 23 0 1 .190 .204 .290 .494

    White Sox Offense
    RK Player Team Pos G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
    1 Konerko, P CWS 1B 89 330 45 111 17 0 16 48 37 50 0 0 .336 .410 .533 .943
    2 Rios, A CWS CF 95 363 57 114 23 5 15 58 17 49 14 5 .314 .349 .529 .878
    3 Danks, J CWS CF 18 27 3 8 1 0 0 2 0 8 1 1 .296 .286 .333 .619
    4 Pierzynski, A CWS C 83 293 40 84 11 3 16 50 19 44 0 0 .287 .339 .509 .847
    5 De Aza, A CWS CF 95 380 64 106 20 5 6 37 34 78 17 8 .279 .347 .405 .752
    6 Youkilis, K CWS 3B 24 92 18 25 4 0 5 19 14 21 0 0 .272 .370 .478 .849
    7 Ramirez, A CWS SS 95 366 36 97 14 3 3 46 10 52 13 3 .265 .286 .344 .630
    8 Viciedo, D CWS RF 89 309 37 79 9 1 15 46 15 72 0 0 .256 .294 .437 .730
    9 Beckham, G CWS 2B 93 340 42 78 16 0 9 38 23 59 3 2 .229 .285 .356 .640
    10 Dunn, A CWS 1B 96 338 59 71 12 0 30 71 75 146 1 1 .210 .353 .512 .865
    11 Escobar, E CWS SS 34 80 14 16 2 1 0 2 9 22 2 0 .200 .281 .250 .531
    11 Humber, P CWS P 2 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 .200 .200 .200 .400
    13 Hudson, O CWS 3B 33 101 7 18 3 2 1 11 9 16 1 1 .178 .245 .277 .523
    14 Flowers, T CWS C 29 73 9 13 3 0 2 2 6 31 2 0 .178 .259 .301 .561
    15 Morel, B CWS 3B 35 113 14 20 2 0 0 5 7 39 4 1 .177 .225 .195 .420
    16 Lillibridge, B CWS RF 49 63 10 11 1 0 0 2 4 26 7 2 .175 .232 .190 .422
    17 Fukudome, K CWS RF 24 41 2 7 1 0 0 4 8 9 0 1 .171 .294 .195 .489
    Comments 164 Comments
    1. IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
      IdahoPilgrim -
      Oh, good, the bullpen has the game now.
    1. Tcrose3636's Avatar
      Tcrose3636 -
      Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
      Butera needs to takes some ESL classes so he can fix Blacksie.
      That is why Blackie is struggling, he doesn't have the real starting catcher out there to calm him down, tell him to keep the ball low, mix his pitches...you know the stuff pitchers learn in high school.
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      Talent is a necessary condition of success but not always sufficient. Look at team USA basketball from prior years. All the talent in the world and awfully clumsy and bad at times.

      Were talking about a 162 SS while you're bring up USA Baseketball and what a 7-8 game tourny. NTM baseketball is a team sport where flow and teamwork matter a ton. Those things aren't that important in baseball, atleast not important enough to sink a talented roster.
    1. IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
      IdahoPilgrim -
      After today's performance, I can't wait for tomorrow's game.
    1. Ultima Ratio's Avatar
      Ultima Ratio -
      Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
      How did the Texas Rangers learn how to win after being garbage for all those years. Did Ronnie Wash bust out some 8balls and get everyone to believe? Or did they finally gather a talented enough roster to get outta the basement?

      How did the Pirates finally start winning, was it Clint Hurdles doing naked laps in the clubhouse? Or did they hit on some high picks like Walker, McCutchon and mades some good trades to finally piece together a rotation?
      But that took 20 years. You are comfortable with that approach, I think we can do better that waiting out 20 years of crap baseball in order to be competitive in the 21st. Sill waiting on the placebo effect since you continue to ignorantly ridicule and dismiss the mental activity.
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      You're kinda missing the original argument, which was whether the best way to get back to success was to completely bottom out the team for several years or not.

      Talent is a necessary condition of success but not always sufficient. Look at team USA basketball from prior years. All the talent in the world and awfully clumsy and bad at times.
      No, I didn't miss it, whichever way you do it the only way to be successful is to have enough talent. I think what's being missed is what quantifies talent.
    1. minn55441's Avatar
      minn55441 -
      Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
      Talent is all that matters, in any sport, period.
      The Oakland A's are tied with the Angles after roughly 100 games. Too small of a sample size? Talent is important, but it is not even close to all that matters.
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      But that took 20 years. You are comfortable with that approach, I think we can do better that waiting out 20 years of crap baseball in order to be competitive in the 21st. Sill waiting on the placebo effect since you continue to ignorantly ridicule and dismiss the mental activity.
      It took 20 years cause they couldn't produce a lick of pitching for that all. This isn't ****ing hard to understand, if you don't have a talented roster then you're going to lose games. But if you draft, trade and sign well and put together a good team then you'll win. They made a great trade of Teix, they started to finally produce some pitching and a smart and progressive front office took over, that's why the Rangers win not some stupid-ass "winning culture"

      That's it, that's all there is to this.
    1. Boom Boom's Avatar
      Boom Boom -
      For one thing, mentality is a talent.

      If the Twins shouldn't tear down the team and start over, what should they do? Continue to invest in cheap free agents as they've been doing?

      How much closer to contention do you think the Twins are than their record would suggest?
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      Quote Originally Posted by minn55441 View Post
      The Oakland A's are tied with the Angles after roughly 100 games. Too small of a sample size? Talent is important, but it is not even close to all that matters.
      And talent will win out, let's reconvene in September.
    1. Ultima Ratio's Avatar
      Ultima Ratio -
      Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
      It doesn't have anything to do with "leaning how to win" Teams with talent win and teams without talent lose.
      "baseketball is a team sport where flow and teamwork matter a ton. Those things aren't that important in baseball, atleast not important enough to sink a talented roster."

      Which is it? Does belief and mental approach have something to do with winning or not?
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by minn55441 View Post
      The Oakland A's are tied with the Angles after roughly 100 games. Too small of a sample size? Talent is important, but it is not even close to all that matters.
      Never mind the A's going on a unsustainable run of winning like 8 or 9 games by one run.
    1. IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
      IdahoPilgrim -
      Yes, talent is a necessary component of success, but it is not a guarantee of success. That talent also has to be fit into a system that allows it become more than the sum of the individual parts. You need team chemistry and synergy. This debate reminds me of the 1980 winter olympics and the U.S. hockey team. Herb Brooks didn't pick the most talented players at the training camp, he picked the players that would best fit into the system he was going to build. Did they have individual talent? Absolutely. But purely on an individual basis they were NOT the most talented hockey players at Lake Placid. Put together in the right way, though, they did become the most talented team in those games.
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      "baseketball is a team sport where flow and teamwork matter a ton. Those things aren't that important in baseball, atleast not important enough to sink a talented roster."

      Which is it? Does belief and mental approach have something to do with winning or not?
      The mental approach and understanding of any game is a talent, it's not voodoo.
    1. Ultima Ratio's Avatar
      Ultima Ratio -
      Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
      No, I didn't miss it, whichever way you do it the only way to be successful is to have enough talent. I think what's being missed is what quantifies talent.
      You just missed it again. No is arguing that talent isn't required for success. "whichever way you do it" IS what the argument is about.
    1. minn55441's Avatar
      minn55441 -
      So, If I have this correctly the most talented team wins the world series every year? Have the Yankee's just bought the wrong talent?
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      "baseketball is a team sport where flow and teamwork matter a ton. Those things aren't that important in baseball, atleast not important enough to sink a talented roster."

      Which is it? Does belief and mental approach have something to do with winning or not?
      This is the last time I'm going to say this.

      I'm sure somewhere just like everything we all do, there's a mental approach to the game. But you or I have no idea what so ever how that effects a player on a given day. We don't know what losing does, we don't know what winning does, we don't know jack ****.

      So at the end of the day the only thing you can judge off is talent, talented teams win games and non-talented teams lose games. That's it, I'm done...slag off.
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by minn55441 View Post
      So, If I have this correctly the most talented team wins the world series every year? Have the Yankee's just bought the wrong talent?

      You can't judge what's going to happen in a 5 or 7 games sample size. Anyone can beat anyone in a short series...except the Twins.
    1. cr9617's Avatar
      cr9617 -
      I can't wait until someone chimes in and defends Blackie this time around. Something like.....'when healthy, Blackburn is a solid fourth or fifth starter on a good team. He just needs to settle down and find his groove, and he will be just like he was back in 08 and 09.'
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      Quote Originally Posted by minn55441 View Post
      So, If I have this correctly the most talented team wins the world series every year? Have the Yankee's just bought the wrong talent?
      No, but the most talented teams do have the tendency to make the playoffs, where short series are a completely different animal.
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