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  • Twins sign Ynoa for $800k

    Shortly after the International signing period opened today at 8am, MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez tweeted that the Twins had an agreement with RHP Huascar Ynoa. Ynoa ranked 17th on MLB.com's top prospects. Baseball America placed Ynoa 14th on their list.

    Ynoa is a 6-2, 190 lb righthander who just recently turned 16. Earlier in the process, there was some belief that Ynoa was the top available pitcher in this signing period.

    Over a year ago, while participating in the 15U WWBA National Championship, Ynoa's fastball sat between 85-91 and Perfect Game called him "among the most impressive arms" at the tournament. As of late, he's been clocked at high as 94.

    But his ability is polarizing...

    Baseball America's profile of Ynoa said this:
    Some scouts still regard him as a potential frontline starter with quality stuff across the board, but his control has vanished at times, which has left him with one of the most uncertain statuses among the top July 2 prospects this year.
    MLB.com said this:
    When Ynoa is on, he's really on and he's arguably the best pitcher on the market. But when he's not on, he frustrates observers and draws the ire of scouts who have high expectations for the teenager.
    Ynoa's older brother, Michael, still holds the record for the largest bonus given to an international pitcher ($4.25m). Michael is 6-7, so there this plenty of time for lots of projection with Huascar. His ceiling is that of someone who could potentially be a top-of-the-rotation starter - he throws four pitches - but saddling anyone at 16 with that label is irresponsible.

    At the minimum, the Twins have added a potentially high-upside arm for less than $1m. He'll get all the time in the world to develop and will join the DSL Twins in 2015.

    The Twins still have $2,886,600 to play with in this signing period, but it sounds like Ynoa will be the most expensive signing.
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    Comments 111 Comments
    1. maxisagod's Avatar
      maxisagod -
      Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
      ... he has been throwing an "above average" hammer curve. It likely made his handler a couple of extra hundred dollars, but developing a curve at early teens (has to be, because it is above average,) is borderline criminal.
      Same handler as his brother, who already had Tommy John's surgery.
    1. TwinsFanInPhilly's Avatar
      TwinsFanInPhilly -
      12 hours into international free agency and I hear the MNTwins have agreements with 6 pitchers, 2 outfielders, 1 infielder, and 1 catcher. Darren Wolfson (@DarrenWolfson)
    1. Spicoli's Avatar
      Spicoli -
      I like this signing. He could be really good. I just hate how we dont go after the top guys in the class. I mean look at how well it has played out for Darvish, Abreau, Tanaka....

      The thing that sucks about being from MN is there is no salary cap in baseball and there is no way we can compete with Boston, NY, LAD.... According to Baseball Americas rankings the NYY's have signed the 7th, 6th and 2nd ranked Int'l FA's. And they got Tanaka last year. Its just so frustrating. If your a MN sports fan the only team that spends the money in FA and makes big trades is the Wild.
    1. DocBauer's Avatar
      DocBauer -
      Prefacing my comments with a simple confession than I know absolutely nothing about the pool of international prospects available except for comments here and shared links and information.

      From what I have read, it sure sounds like a good signing, and a very good young prospect with a world of potential, key words being young and potential. I would have some doubt that the reports of 94 are accurate. Hope they are, but even a consistent 91-92 at 16 is pretty awesome. Forget coaching and consistent mechanics, just physical growth alone should add a few ticks over the next couple of years.

      I have to chuckle at debate and angst over top 30 rankings and where each player may sit. Unless you have a Sano-type talent, not sure how you rank 16 year old Latin country kids with any degree of accuracy. Every year right here in the good old USA you have professional scouts who hit and miss on college kids, much less 18 year olds armed with college scholarships. And the college coaches offering those scholarships miss at times as well. And some of the ones they get to come to school weren't even drafted, or were drafted in the 20's or later, and end up being top 10 round kids three years down the road. So I have to take these rankings with a full salt block, not a few grains of the stuff.

      And even if you could get all 30 teams to actually have a consensus of a top 30 list, you'd still have 30 teams, all with at least some available money, competing for at least one of these 16 y.o. kids, and trying to project him at least a season, if not two, from even reaching short season rookie leagues here.

      So I guess I agree with trying to put out the cash for a couple of the top projectables, quality wise, but then spreading the rest of your allotment out and around for quantity to see what might develop.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      According to Jesse Sanchez, the Twins have agreed to sign outfielder Jean Carlos Arias for $450,000.
    1. Bsharpp's Avatar
      Bsharpp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
      I like this signing. He could be really good. I just hate how we dont go after the top guys in the class. I mean look at how well it has played out for Darvish, Abreau, Tanaka....

      The thing that sucks about being from MN is there is no salary cap in baseball and there is no way we can compete with Boston, NY, LAD.... According to Baseball Americas rankings the NYY's have signed the 7th, 6th and 2nd ranked Int'l FA's. And they got Tanaka last year. Its just so frustrating. If your a MN sports fan the only team that spends the money in FA and makes big trades is the Wild.

      Yes. It's frustrating alright. But, I still see posts on here by people who don't think there are competitive balance issues in baseball and don't see why there needs to be a salary cap. What a stupid system where the teams with the most money can buy the top international prospects. What a joke.
    1. twinsfan34's Avatar
      twinsfan34 -
      Yankees signed 8 out of the top 30 prospects (according to BA)...

      Curious how much $$$ that amounts to.

      http://www.baseballamerica.com/inter...40703_27185166

      The top SS (Dermis Garcia, #1 in MLB's list) still has not signed...rumored to be $3M bonus. Yanks pool is only $1.7M.

      So it looks like the Yankees (and possibly the Indians, Red Sox, and Rays...so far) will all be limited to not being able to sign a player for more than $300k the follow two international signing periods.

      The Yankees have drawn a great deal of attention for their reported plans to shatter their spending limitations, but reports have also indicated that the Rays and Red Sox are willing to incur the maximum penalties as well. This year, penalties for exceeding bonus pools has changed slightly from previous signing periods. Here’s the breakdown:
      • All overages are taxed at 100 percent.
      • Exceed bonus pool by 5 to 10 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $500K in the following international signing period.
      • Exceed by 10 to 15 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $300K in the following international signing period.
      • Exceed by more than 15 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $300K in the following two international signing periods.
      -- courtesy of MLB Trade Rumors


      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...od-primer.html


      http://www.baseballamerica.com/inter...e-bonus-pools/
    1. SD Buhr's Avatar
      SD Buhr -
      I've been wondering why these teams appear so nonchalant about blowing out their pool numbers this year.

      Is it because this year's crop of 16 year olds is considered so superior than what they typically see? No idea, but seems unlikely that it is so much better that they're better off signing several top players this year than being allowed to sign even one top player for the next two years.

      Are they gambling that, somehow, they'll be able to get the penalties eliminated? Seems unlikely, too.

      Whatever the thinking, it seems premature to conclude that the system isn't working just because a handful of teams were willing to far exceed their pool levels.

      We can see the benefits of doing so immediately, but we won't witness the price they pay until next July and the July after that, when the Twins and others who are staying within pool levels will not have the Yankees and others to compete with at all for top international signings.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I think it is like this: I can throw money at middle guys like the Twins, year after year. Or, I can throw a bunch of money one year at the BEST guys (in my mind) and then take a year off or so. I don't think anyone is betting that the pool is gone, I think they are betting that getting 5-10 "top" guys in one year, is better than getting 20 medium guys over 3 years.

      I really wish someone had a study about how good the rankings are......
    1. tobi0040's Avatar
      tobi0040 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bsharpp View Post
      Yes. It's frustrating alright. But, I still see posts on here by people who don't think there are competitive balance issues in baseball and don't see why there needs to be a salary cap. What a stupid system where the teams with the most money can buy the top international prospects. What a joke.

      Definitely a competitive balance issue in baseball and the only thing that will fix that is a hard cap, like hockey or football.

      I think the two biggest issues in the game of baseball over the last 10-15 years are the lack of a cap and PED's. The union should get the lions share for the blame on both issues. Not all the blame, but they were the biggest reason why a cap does not exist and why it took so long for drug testing to be a reality.
    1. tobi0040's Avatar
      tobi0040 -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      I think it is like this: I can throw money at middle guys like the Twins, year after year. Or, I can throw a bunch of money one year at the BEST guys (in my mind) and then take a year off or so. I don't think anyone is betting that the pool is gone, I think they are betting that getting 5-10 "top" guys in one year, is better than getting 20 medium guys over 3 years.

      I really wish someone had a study about how good the rankings are......
      I am guessing the Yankees thought this class was much better than the next two will be and this was their strategy going in. It kind of reminds me of the loophole they exploited in the off-season when they signed CC, Teixera, and Burnett. All would have separately yielded a first round pick but because they signed all three in the same off-season they only had to give up a first, second, and third rounder instead.

      If you are the Yankees and your bonus pool is not very large, the "penalty" for going 10-15% over and the penalty for going $30M over are the same. So that is why you see them in on all the top guys and my guess is they land the #1 guy as well. Just another loophole they have found.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      None of these are loopholes, they are the rules.
    1. tobi0040's Avatar
      tobi0040 -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      None of these are loopholes, they are the rules.
      They are rules, but my guess is when they were set in place MLB did not anticipate how teams can navigate them to their advantage.
    1. ScottyB's Avatar
      ScottyB -
      Quote Originally Posted by twinsfan34 View Post
      Yankees signed 8 out of the top 30 prospects (according to BA)...

      Curious how much $$$ that amounts to.

      Here's what they've spent so far:

      Nelson Gomez, IF $2.25MM (#2 Prospect)
      Wilkerman Garcia, SS $1.35MM (#14 Prospect)
      Dermis Garcia, SS $3.2MM (#1 Prospect)
      Miguel Flames, C $1MM (#25 Prospect)
      Juan De Leon, OF $??? (#5 Prospect)
      Hyo-Jun Park, SS $1.1MM (#13 Prospect)
      Jonathan Amundary, OF $1.5MM (#7 Prospect)
      Antonio Arias, OF $.8MM (#8 Prospect)

      That's 8 of the top 25 prospects (5 of the top 10) at over $11MM so far. Clearly the penalties are not nearly enough. The Yankees are expected to spend over $30MM with the 100% overage tax. It makes me sick. Maybe if the overage tax was 10,000% it would be fairer.
    1. Monkeypaws's Avatar
      Monkeypaws -
      One can only hope that some anemic looking 14 year old kid from the DR has a huge growth spurt this year and suddenly hits 95 on the gun as a 15 year old, and can hit baseballs 500 feet. The Yankees will wail and gnash their teeth.
    1. Dman's Avatar
      Dman -
      Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
      Definitely a competitive balance issue in baseball and the only thing that will fix that is a hard cap, like hockey or football.

      I think the two biggest issues in the game of baseball over the last 10-15 years are the lack of a cap and PED's. The union should get the lions share for the blame on both issues. Not all the blame, but they were the biggest reason why a cap does not exist and why it took so long for drug testing to be a reality.
      I agree. Only in baseball are Aces up your sleeve and loaded dice allowed. Most definitions of cheating would include some type of unfair advantage over the competition (i.e. more money to spend to get the best talent) in baseball cheating effectively is allowed. Incredibly even though teams have financial advantage buying a world series has proved somewhat elusive.

      The players union in baseball will never agree to a cap because it will limit players salaries and currently the owners are making money so I guess if it ain't broke yet it won't get fixed.
    1. ScottyB's Avatar
      ScottyB -
      Quote Originally Posted by Monkeypaws View Post
      One can only hope that some anemic looking 14 year old kid from the DR has a huge growth spurt this year and suddenly hits 95 on the gun as a 15 year old, and can hit baseballs 500 feet. The Yankees will wail and gnash their teeth.
      Steve Nebraska!!!
    1. tobi0040's Avatar
      tobi0040 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
      Here's what they've spent so far:

      Nelson Gomez, IF $2.25MM (#2 Prospect)
      Wilkerman Garcia, SS $1.35MM (#14 Prospect)
      Dermis Garcia, SS $3.2MM (#1 Prospect)
      Miguel Flames, C $1MM (#25 Prospect)
      Juan De Leon, OF $??? (#5 Prospect)
      Hyo-Jun Park, SS $1.1MM (#13 Prospect)
      Jonathan Amundary, OF $1.5MM (#7 Prospect)
      Antonio Arias, OF $.8MM (#8 Prospect)

      That's 8 of the top 25 prospects (5 of the top 10) at over $11MM so far. Clearly the penalties are not nearly enough. The Yankees are expected to spend over $30MM with the 100% overage tax. It makes me sick. Maybe if the overage tax was 10,000% it would be fairer.
      Yeah, some combination of a larger tax, 5-10 year penalty instead of two, or how about an actual draft with slotting? Conceptually it makes no sense to me why we have different sets of rules for US and foreign born players. It makes less sense to me that the rules actually favor foreign players over US born players. Had Stephen Strasburg been from Europe, he could have signed with any team with no cap on his bonus.
    1. birdwatcher's Avatar
      birdwatcher -
      Quote Originally Posted by SD Buhr View Post
      To you, that may be, "the intention of the process," because that's how you would choose to approach using your money.

      However, to me, "the intention of the process," is to assure that teams with losing records have the most allotted resources to use as they see fit to use in the marketplace.

      If the Twins look at the international market and feel that judging the potential of 15 year olds to eventually become competent MLB ballplayers is pretty much a crapshoot and, as a result, the best approach is to use their money to add a higher number of "good" players, rather than a small number of "top" prospects (with "good" and "top" being determined by a bunch of writers at BA and MLB.com), I don't think it means they are necessarily not using their money as the process intended.
      Precisely. Their approach is balanced. It cannot fairly be described as unaggressive. It can fairly be described as strategic, especially when one keeps in mind that the outcomes, based on these BA and MLB rankings, is pretty dismal. I'm glad the Twins are playing within the system instead of cheating. It's unfortunate that the Yankees, in particular, may alter the competitive landscape in baseball for a ni=umber of years by virtue of unethical and dishonest practices.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Why do people keep saying cheating? They are playing by the rules as written.

      I'm confused by your last statement.....if rankings are so unpredicatable, how will this change the competitive balance?

      And, the draft is awful for players. Awful. It suppresses their income. It might or might not be good for teams.....
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