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    There's really no way to put a positive spin on Vance Worley's start Tuesday night. With his chance of making the team very much on the line after back-to-back clunkers, the righty came out and delivered the worst outing of this spring -- for him or any other Twins starter.

    The final line: 2.2 IP, 7 ER, 11 H, 2 BB, 1 K. Six doubles allowed. ZERO swinging strikes on 61 pitches.

    Reflecting on the game, a dejected Worley couldn't find words to explain the disastrous performance.

    "I threw some good pitches to [Evan Longoria], and he's definitely one of the better hitters in that lineup," Worley said, referring to his lone strikeout victim in the second inning. "And, um…"

    He paused for a moment.

    "Things happen. I really don't even know how to elaborate on that."

    Assistant general manager Rob Antony said before the game that the Twins would likely wait a little while yet to make decisions on any of the contenders for their fifth rotation spot, unless it became "obvious" that one was out of the running.

    It appears that we have reached that point with Worley, who has allowed 12 earned runs on 21 hits in 7 2/3 innings over his last three spring outings, with only 12 days remaining until the season opener.

    Worley insists that he's feeling good in his bullpen sessions, and that his pitches were moving the way he wanted them to in the game but he just couldn't seem to locate. It's a refrain we've heard before, and one that usually precedes a demotion. There are few things more concerning to a manager than a guy essentially throwing his hands up in the air.

    At this point the only real question surrounding Worley is whether he'll be working on figuring things out in Rochester or in another organization. The 26-year-old is out of options, and despite his tumultuous run since coming over from Philadelphia, the Twins would rather not lose him. Pitching depth is pitching depth, and the righty maintains some upside even if it's clear he doesn't belong in the majors right now.

    His brutal results this spring, in combination with his struggles last year, may be enough to dissuade other teams from claiming him. That would allow Worley to stay with the Twins and head to Triple-A, where he would likely join the pitcher who came over with him from the Phillies, Trevor May.

    There's your positive spin, I guess.
    Comments 71 Comments
    1. pierre75275's Avatar
      pierre75275 -
      If somebody claims him, does he need to stay on the 25 man roster or pass thru waivers to be assigned to AAA? I agree, i doubt somebody would pick him up and even if they did would the twins miss him that much? It looks like we currently will have better options then him at AAA.
    1. dukie034's Avatar
      dukie034 -
      Stick a fork in him. Cannot recover after that outing.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by pierre75275 View Post
      If somebody claims him, does he need to stay on the 25 man roster or pass thru waivers to be assigned to AAA? I agree, i doubt somebody would pick him up and even if they did would the twins miss him that much? It looks like we currently will have better options then him at AAA.
      I still think that someone would pick him up, but at this point, that may be best for him and for the Twins. Personally, I'm not willing to completely shut the door on Worley. I hope that he would pass through waivers and the Twins can send him to Rochester. He's succeeded in the past, and he is 26 all season, so there's still a chance.

      You're right though. If he were claimed by another team, he would have to stay on the 25 man roster OR go through waivers a second time.
    1. luckylager's Avatar
      luckylager -
      I can't imagine a place for Worley on any team's 25 man roster right now. He needs to (hopefully) work things out in AAA. If that means taking a risk losing him, so be it. I hope Vance can rediscover his mojo.
    1. Riverbrian's Avatar
      Riverbrian -
      Make the move right now... If he's gonna slip through... I'd imagine now is the best time to slip him through.
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      It's the zero swinging strikes that is most telling, IMO. Sometimes, the BABIP gods can be cruel and everything put in play seems to find a hole. But if you can't get even one swing and miss in 61 pitches, it seems to me you're not throwing major league stuff. Send him down, and if someone claims him so be it.
    1. scottz's Avatar
      scottz -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      It's the zero swinging strikes that is most telling, IMO. Sometimes, the BABIP gods can be cruel and everything put in play seems to find a hole. But if you can't get even one swing and miss in 61 pitches, it seems to me you're not throwing major league stuff. Send him down, and if someone claims him so be it.
      Agreed. I was hoping he would make the team, partly because when we traded Revere I thought Worley was a nice "right now" piece. Not that I expected him to be an All-Star, but I thought he would help. It's time to make the move and let the chips fall where they may.
    1. Sconnie's Avatar
      Sconnie -
      Maybe a change of scenery and pitching coaches would be good for The Vanimal. It's possible a different point of view could do the trick. Zero swinging strikes and absolute befuddlement are telling.

      hopefully he passes thru to AAA as I still have hope for Vance in the Twins organization.
    1. Trautmann13's Avatar
      Trautmann13 -
      The worst part about Worley is that he aint coming north after yesterday. That is for sure, in my eyes. Put if the Twins don't want him, nobody else will want him for anymore than a bag of baseballs. What next for him, AAA?
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      I would pass him through waivers right now. I don't think that a team is going to claim him. Perhaps it was best to be terrible out of the gates so that he could make it to Rochester and get his act together (hopefully). Still WEIRD that he has been so bad.
    1. zenser's Avatar
      zenser -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      I would pass him through waivers right now. I don't think that a team is going to claim him. Perhaps it was best to be terrible out of the gates so that he could make it to Rochester and get his act together (hopefully). Still WEIRD that he has been so bad.
      I agree. Atlanta made their reaction move by signing Santana. I could see a team like Arizona or Oakland taking a chance since they have had injuries but they also have a lot of young talent ready or close to ready. Waive him and see what happens.
    1. tobi0040's Avatar
      tobi0040 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      I would pass him through waivers right now. I don't think that a team is going to claim him. Perhaps it was best to be terrible out of the gates so that he could make it to Rochester and get his act together (hopefully). Still WEIRD that he has been so bad.
      I can't quite figure it out either. He had 8+ K/9 with Philadelphia in over 270 IP. ERA of 3.01 and 4.20.

      What we have seen is a completely different pitcher. K/9 in the 4 range and what is strange is his BB/9 rate has actually been better here than in Philly.

      What is certain is he can't be on the 25 man roster. I agree with Shane, try and pass him through waivers right now. If he is gone best of luck to him.
    1. gunnarthor's Avatar
      gunnarthor -
      Bummer. I really liked the trade that brought him here, even if he was going from the NL to the AL. Figured leaving a hitters park to a pitchers park would more than make up for it but ...

      I don't think they'll try and pass him through waivers yet. I think they do it later when everyone is dumping players to make it less likely that he gets claimed. He'll probably get another start yet.
    1. Old Twins Cap's Avatar
      Old Twins Cap -
      Worst starting pitcher on the worst starting staff in baseball. Are we really concerned that another team will pick him up? I agree with Shane, this is just plain WEIRD that he is so bad, but weirder things have happened. Time to move on.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      I would pass him through waivers right now. I don't think that a team is going to claim him. Perhaps it was best to be terrible out of the gates so that he could make it to Rochester and get his act together (hopefully). Still WEIRD that he has been so bad.
      My thoughts exactly. In a way, his wretched play has been a blessing.

      1. It makes the Twins' decision easy.

      2. He has been so bad that it's unlikely that another team will claim him.
    1. Dman's Avatar
      Dman -
      It seems like he throws too straight. There doesn't seem to be much movement on the ball when he throws it and guys were hitting him hard. I never expected Worely to be an ace but I also never expected him to be this bad. I think it would be best if he caught on with another team because the negative energy he has going here seems like too much to overcome.
    1. UCLA_YANKEE_COLA's Avatar
      UCLA_YANKEE_COLA -
      It is crazy that he is only a month older than Kyle Gibson. That makes it hard to just write him off. Hopefully he can make it through waivers and land in Rochester. I wouldn't hold my breath on him turning it around but it's not impossible to envision him in St. Louis starting a playoff games in 2 years.
    1. nfisch22's Avatar
      nfisch22 -
      I was at the game last night and the one strikeout he had was a questionable call. It looked like a ball from where I was sitting. His fastball was awful all night long. 90mph right down the middle belt high and it had zero movement. On the bright side Swarzak looked pretty good. He had a few more mph on his fast ball than what I remember from last year.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I was pro "trade an OF for pitchers", but said we'd have to judge the actual trade when we see what happens. That's what scouts get paid for, making the right decision. So far, those scouts should have less influence imo.
    1. Circus Boy's Avatar
      Circus Boy -
      In a skill and mechanics sport like baseball, when a player's skill and mechanics take a holiday then it's all a head game. Worley is physically able, but he's not good between the ears right now. That's not a criticism, just an observation of what happens to young athletes when their stuff leaves them. Hope he comes back to help the Twins, but if not, that he lands elsewhere and finds his mojo.
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