• Rumor Mill Round-Up: 12/9

    As a handy one-stop shop for all Twins-related offseason rumors, we'll be running frequent "Rumor Mill Round-Up" columns here at Twins Daily, wherein we gather up all the recent rumblings involving the local club.

    With each rumor, we'll provide some analysis and a "Steam Rating," assigning a 1-5 score to the report based on the level of likelihood we'll actually see something materialize.

    With the annual Winter Meetings getting underway this week, here's a quick rundown of the players the Twins are being connected to:

    * John Buck has "climbed to the top" of Minnesota's wish list at catcher, according to Mike Berardino of the Pioneer Press.

    With Jarrod Saltalamacchia and A.J. Pierzynski off the board, the Twins have apparently turned their attention to the veteran Buck as an option to ease the transition of young Josmil Pinto behind the plate.

    I viewed Buck as a likely target for Minnesota and listed him in my blueprint in the Offseason Handbook. I like that he'll be relatively cheap and can operate as a quality backup or a serviceable semi-regular starter in the event Pinto needs more time. Buck is far from a great hitter but he has averaged 119 games played and 16 homers over the past four seasons.

    The fact that Buck has worked extensively with Ricky Nolasco, a former teammate in Miami, probably enhances the probability of this match. I see the interest here being very real.

    Steam Rating: 5/5

    * The Twins are one team that has expressed interest in Oakland's Brett Anderson, according to Susan Slusser, who does a fantastic job covering the Athletics for the San Francisco Chronicle.

    I wrote last week about the merits of pursuing Anderson, concluding that at the right price he'd be a great gamble for Terry Ryan. Whether A's GM Billy Beane is willing to deal the durability-challenged former top prospect for what we'd construe as the "right price" is unknown, but with his value depressed the Twins would be silly not to at least explore.

    Steam Rating: 3/5

    * The Pirates are set to meet with Bronson Arroyo's agent, via ESPN's Buster Olney.

    The Twins were reported to be interested in Arroyo prior to the Ricky Nolasco and Phil Hughes signings, and there has been some buzz that their interest remains, although we haven't heard anything connecting the two sides in a while. I would guess that if the Twins are going to sign another starter, it will be more of a low-level signing, so Arroyo is probably not a realistic target unless his price really drops for some reason.

    Steam Rating: 2/5

    UPDATE: ESPN 1500's Darren Wolfson says the Twins are meeting with Arroyo's agent on Monday afternoon, so there may be more to this possibility than we think. (h/t JimCrikket)

    * It sounds like former Twins starter Carl Pavano is interested in resuming his playing career but doesn't view the Twins as a likely destination, per Berardino.

    Pavano missed the entire 2013 season after rupturing his spleen in a freak shoveling incident. He told Berardino, "I'm going to give it a try. What else have I got?" Asked about the Twins specifically, he said he hasn't been in contact and added, "I think we're in different places. They need those younger guys in their rotation."

    Truth.

    Steam Rating: 1/5
    This article was originally published in blog: Rumor Mill Round-Up: 12/9 started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 70 Comments
    1. Jim Crikket's Avatar
      Jim Crikket -
      Bump up the rating on Arroyo? Wolfson tweeting that the Twins will meet with his agent Monday afternoon.
    1. halfchest's Avatar
      halfchest -
      I hope any pitcher we get at this point is either a trade for a guy with upside like Brett Anderson or Hellickson whose value is low right now or a cheap reclamation project with upside. Even a big splash like a move for a guy like Homer Bailey (assuming extension included) would be pretty great.

      I'm just not interested in an innings eater and was ecstatic with the Nolasco and Hughes signing mostly due to it meaning we wouldn't be signing Arroyo. Too old and not worth it for this team.
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
      Bump up the rating on Arroyo? Wolfson tweeting that the Twins will meet with his agent Monday afternoon.
      Good call, I've updated the column, thanks Jim.

      Everyone else: Feel free to share any rumors you've come across here in the comments.
    1. Dman's Avatar
      Dman -
      Arroyo on two year deal wouldn't Be bad but I think it will take three years to get him. I don't like arroyo mainly because he doesn't throw hard and I think he would be tough to flip for prospects. I would like the Twins to aim higher but it would be an ok move in my opinion.
    1. Jim Crikket's Avatar
      Jim Crikket -
      I wasn't thrilled with Arroyo when the speculation was that he would be the Twins big (or only?) addition to the rotation. But as one of three additions, along with Nolasco and Hughes, I'd be OK with it. Two years plus a club option for the 3rd, perhaps with a decent enough buyout that it makes it worthwhile for the player to sign, would be ideal for me. I suspect it will take at least 3 and perhaps more guaranteed, though. I honestly don't see that as too much of a problem, given the lack of long term Twins payroll commitments, though.
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Buck would be a solid catching option. That would help me feel slightly better about that position next year.
    1. birdwatcher's Avatar
      birdwatcher -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
      Buck would be a solid catching option. That would help me feel slightly better about that position next year.
      Ditto
    1. beckmt's Avatar
      beckmt -
      Buck would be OK, do not view Chris Hermann as a solution. Would like another pitcher, possibly in a trade if price is right. The ones mentioned above would be fine, though not as in on Hellickson as some of the rest.
    1. Trautmann13's Avatar
      Trautmann13 -
      I would be more than satisfied with Buck on a one year deal and Arroyo on 2/20 with club option. I think Arroyo for guaranteed 3 years is no good given that he is aging quickly. I think if they signed these guys they would be ready for '14, with maybe the exception of a SS but that isn't looking too likely
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      I like Buck as a backup/platoon guy. In fact let him be the regular catcher for the entire month of April. It seems to me he is the opposite of the traditional Twins hitter, he starts off hot and produces most of his power in the first month or so.
    1. johnnydakota's Avatar
      johnnydakota -
      We would be better served trading for Johnny Monell , then signing Buck ...just saying
      As for Bronson , 2 years yes, 3 years no. And if they are thinking of extending Correia--- oh hell no...dont do it
    1. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
      Oldgoat_MN -
      I'm not a fan of the Buck idea.

      We have a couple of ex-catchers in Mauer and Steinbach who can help mentor Pinto. I thought they specifically had Fryer on the 40-man roster to be a backup. We also have Chris Herrmann and, if necessary, Ryan Doumit.
      I get Herrmann isn't exactly a monster at the plate, but neither is Buck.

      See nothing in it for the Twins to pursue this acquisition.
    1. Hawkeye12's Avatar
      Hawkeye12 -
      Glad to see we are still in on Arroyo and possibly Garza. Will make the out of option guys fighting for the last spot in the rotation even bigger. Although I think Deduno gets it if healthy anyway. Arroyo as the number one was kind of scary, but Arroyo as a three or four for a good price would be a huge upgrade.
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
      I would guess that if the Twins are going to sign another starter, it will be more of a low-level signing
      The options for the last two spots in the rotation includes guys who are out of options (Deduno, Worley, Diamond), a top org prospect (Gibson), and several other guys (Albers, Johnson). Are you saying they'd bring in another guy to compete with them? Any examples of who you think that might be?
    1. Dave T's Avatar
      Dave T -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
      I'm not a fan of the Buck idea.

      We have a couple of ex-catchers in Mauer and Steinbach who can help mentor Pinto. I thought they specifically had Fryer on the 40-man roster to be a backup. We also have Chris Herrmann and, if necessary, Ryan Doumit.
      I get Herrmann isn't exactly a monster at the plate, but neither is Buck.

      See nothing in it for the Twins to pursue this acquisition.
      He doesn't need a mentor, he needs AAA
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      The options for the last two spots in the rotation includes guys who are out of options (Deduno, Worley, Diamond), a top org prospect (Gibson), and several other guys (Albers, Johnson). Are you saying they'd bring in another guy to compete with them? Any examples of who you think that might be?
      That worries me as well, I feel like adding another FA starter right now (prior to any 40 man roster moves) means losing someone who might have value for nothing.
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      The options for the last two spots in the rotation includes guys who are out of options (Deduno, Worley, Diamond), a top org prospect (Gibson), and several other guys (Albers, Johnson). Are you saying they'd bring in another guy to compete with them? Any examples of who you think that might be?
      Today Ryan this morning was talking about Pelfrey and (Johan) Santana. Allegedly they have a 2/$10M offer out to Pelfrey.

      That said, I will be surprised if they sign another pitcher. If they add another arm will likely be via a trade and one of more of the above names might be included. Other than Gibson and Worley, these guys would be no loss...
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      The options for the last two spots in the rotation includes guys who are out of options (Deduno, Worley, Diamond), a top org prospect (Gibson), and several other guys (Albers, Johnson). Are you saying they'd bring in another guy to compete with them? Any examples of who you think that might be?
      This is why I'm not convinced they're going to bring another guy in and highly skeptical that it will be a high-profile guy. I think a Rich Harden type flyer (e.g. Johan) who would be cheap and could compete for the last spot is more likely.
    1. johnnydakota's Avatar
      johnnydakota -
      Padres interested in Liam Hendriks???? lets put together a package for Burch Smith and his buddy Wisler, they were both taken in the 2011 darft, like #9 and #14....if we get these 2 players , I am friggin stoked from the off season and will think we have a much brighter future
    1. josecordoba's Avatar
      josecordoba -
      I wouldn't give Arroyo- Three Years. Such a contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Arroyo has averaged less then 1 WAR a year for the last three years. He'll also be entering into his age 37. I agree with Keith Law's take that I wouldn't go more then a year. Pelfrey for 2 is more interesting (I actually believe Pelfrey has slightly more upside. Pelfrey has better Steamer and Oliver projections heading into 2014.

      For the record- I'm not in love with Pelfrey resigning (Part of this is his games tend to be unwatchable). I would rather pursue a Brett Anderson who at least has Top of the Rotation upside.
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