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  • Twins Add Four to 40 Man Roster

    On Wednesday afternoon, the Minnesota Twins announced they have added four players to their 40 man roster. Jorge Polanco is probably the headliner, or certainly the most obvious choice, but they also added Max Kepler, LHP Logan Darnell, and DH Kennys Vargas. Also, RHP BJ Hermsen was outrighted off the 40 man roster.

    This leaves the Twins 40 man roster at 39.

    Polanco, 20, struggled for two seasons in the Gulf Coast League, but in 2012 in Elizabethton, he came through with a .903 OPS. He hit .318/.388/.514 with 15 doubles, two triples and five home runs. He moved up to Cedar Rapids in 2013 and proved that his Appy League stats were not a fluke. In 115 games, he hit .308/.362/.452 (.813) with 32 doubles, ten triples and five home runs. He also drove in 78 runs hitting primarily out of the #3 spot in the lineup.

    Max Kepler, 20, was also signed in 2009, at the same time as Polanco. The German outfielder was moved slowly through the early levels because he was so raw, but at 6-4, 220 pounds he has very good power potential. In 61 games in the 2nd half in Cedar Rapids, the left-hander hit .237/.312/.424 (.736) with 11 doubles, three triples and nine home runs. He played a lot in left field, center field and first base. He missed the first half of the season with an elbow injury.

    Left-hander Logan Darnell quickly rose to New Britain a year after being drafted. He remained there until the second half of 2013. The left-hander has a mixed bag of pitches including a fastball that tops out around 90 and a very good slider.

    Kennys Vargas is a DH who can play some first base. He put up big numbers in Ft. Myers in 2013, hitting .267/.344/.468 (.813) with 33 doubles, 19 home runs and 93 RBI. He plays first base as well. He’s a large, physically imposing man who reminds many of David Ortiz. He is often referred to as “Little Papi” though he may be bigger than the Red Sox star.

    This leaves several Twins players at risk of being selected in MLB’s Rule 5 draft on Thursday, December 5, the final day of the Winter Meetings. 2010 top pick Alex Wimmers will be eligible to be taken in the Rule 5 draft. Relief pitchers such as AJ Achter, Adrian Salcedo, Lester Oliveros and Dakota Watts could be picked. Others, such as James Beresford and Pat Dean, could also be taken.

    Any thoughts?
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    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      Carrying guys for two years is not unheard of, unless there were truly better candiodates for this year. I'm surprised the Twins carry Santana. Doubt that he'll be considered for the majors this year and might be a long shot the following year.

      Of course, we always need names that can be removed for free agent signings,

      Darnell Logan I'm not sure if anyone would've truly gambled him for a spot. I don;t see the Twins even finding room on the roster to open the season, even if they failed to sign ANY free agents.

      Chris Rahl and any other minor league free agent. It's a crapshoot. 10% don't make it thru spring training. 20% start at AA. The question is should the Twins be better fulfilled with AA and AAA rosters full of prospects.

      Oliveras I could see someone taking a flyer on. Wimmers...I don't see him getting stashed in the back of any bullpen.

      Now nest year...who do the Twins have to keep.

      With Kepler and Polancho, makes you wonder about the joy of signing really young players for big bucks if they have to be stashed on the roster. Plus, the guys get a nice minor league salary raise (don't they make like $50 grand now?!
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      In other ridiculous news, the Twins signed a Clete Thomas clone in Chris Rahl. About to turn 30 and has never been in the majors.
      More of an Antoan Richardson/Denny Hawking clone At least Clete could hit the ball out of the park on occasion
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
      With Kepler and Polancho, makes you wonder about the joy of signing really young players for big bucks if they have to be stashed on the roster. Plus, the guys get a nice minor league salary raise (don't they make like $50 grand now?!
      Teams won't even think twice about it. It's part of the business.

      Players not on the 40 man roster typically make $1500/month.
      This isn't confirmed and likely has changed in the 4-5 years since I heard it, but guys in their first year on 40 man roster (in minor leagues), make like $10,000/month. Second year, they make like $12,000/month. Third year, $15,000/month. Likely higher now.
    1. Heimer's Avatar
      Heimer -
      Would you rather take the chance of losing polanco or achter? My opinion bullpen arms grow on trees future SS do not.
    1. Jim H's Avatar
      Jim H -
      My thought is you protect the guys you think are likely to become the best players. Trying to guess what 29 other teams might or might not do is a bit of a fool's game. I was a bit surprised by Vargas, I have always thought he was one of those guys who could hit in the minors and has great power, but has too many holes in his swing, not enough bat speed, and no position he can play in the majors. Apparently, the Twins think he can better than that, and likely they are right. Or at least more right than I am likely to be.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      Eric Fryer is not going to be more valuable than A.J. Achter. Good lord.
      Relievers like Atcher are a dime a dozen. Fryer is basically a better hitting version of Butera, who proved his worth on the trade market last year.
    1. Dbohnk's Avatar
      Dbohnk -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      I used to get all upset about this stuff, but generally speaking, they get it right... at least from the sense of actually losing players. Who is the last player they didn't protect that they actually lost to the other team? (I'm sure there have been, I just can't think of it)

      The report on Achter is right, though I think earlier in the year, he was closer to 92-93 with four pitches. I can't really argue with any of these picks.

      The last guy they lost if I am not mistaken (RA Dickey) turned out to be a Cy Young candidate, but they did sign him the next off-season only to release him after one season.
    1. twinsfan34's Avatar
      twinsfan34 -
      Achter...relief pitchers are a dime a dozen. Can find them anywhere...failed starters, etc.

      Couldn't risk losing Polanco and Kepler. No brainers.

      Did Vargas have to be added?
    1. twinsfan34's Avatar
      twinsfan34 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Heimer View Post
      Would you rather take the chance of losing polanco or achter? My opinion bullpen arms grow on trees future SS do not.
      Nailed it. you can find a RP anywhere. Refurbish almost any 2 pitch starter.
    1. TD Mac's Avatar
      TD Mac -
      Surprised Oliveros didn't get protected (based on what we saw in 2012 - looked like he had absolutely nasty stuff), hoe he doesn't get snapped up.
    1. TD Mac's Avatar
      TD Mac -
      Surprised Oliveras didn't get protected (based on what we saw in 2012 - looked like he had absolutely nasty stuff), hoe he doesn't get snapped up.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
      Relievers like Atcher are a dime a dozen. Fryer is basically a better hitting version of Butera, who proved his worth on the trade market last year.
      First, generalizing from that fleecing of the Dodgers is not a good idea. The Dodgers have Clayton Kershaw and are also willing to spend about 80 million bucks on pitchers if need be. The value of Sulbaran diminishes in such a situation.

      Two, clearly Fryer didn't have to be signed to such a dumb two-way contract and would have passed through waivers. There is no reason to then lose the *next guy* in the bullpen who have started in AAA when Eric Fryer is the reason.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Polanco of Achter? What? Who said that was the actual choice? Eric Fryer vs. Achter. There you go. Breathe with me.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      I used to get all upset about this stuff, but generally speaking, they get it right... at least from the sense of actually losing players. Who is the last player they didn't protect that they actually lost to the other team? (I'm sure there have been, I just can't think of it)

      The report on Achter is right, though I think earlier in the year, he was closer to 92-93 with four pitches. I can't really argue with any of these picks.
      Given what you have said about Achter in the past, I am really surprised that you are so completely flippant about this! Seriously. Does every Twins decision become a good one instantaneously in your view?
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      I don't know that Achter has MLB stuff, but I just don't like protecting all these late 20's AAAA players. This team is rebuilding, are Albers, Johnson, Mastroianni, Colabello, Presley and Fryer really the kind of players this team needs to be protecting?

      A thought on Wimmers and Oliveros. Are the Twins rolling the dice on these two knowing it's unlikely a year removed from TJ surgery neither will likely be able to pitch a full season and stay on a 40-man? I'm not sure I like that gamble for if they get placed on a season ending DL I believe the buyer gets to retain their services the following year and gets another attempt to keep them on the roster. If I was a devious GM I might do just that and see if the player is agreeable to the arrangement. They should be as, a full season on the MLB DL would help with service time and he would get his MLB salary as opposed to riding buses another season in AAA.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
      I don't know that Achter has MLB stuff, but I just don't like protecting all these late 20's AAAA players. This team is rebuilding, are Albers, Johnson, Mastroianni, Colabello, Presley and Fryer really the kind of players this team needs to be protecting?

      A thought on Wimmers and Oliveros. Are the Twins rolling the dice on these two knowing it's unlikely a year removed from TJ surgery neither will likely be able to pitch a full season and stay on a 40-man? I'm not sure I like that gamble for if they get placed on a season ending DL I believe the buyer gets to retain their services the following year and gets another attempt to keep them on the roster. If I was a devious GM I might do just that and see if the player is agreeable to the arrangement. They should be as, a full season on the MLB DL would help with service time and he would get his MLB salary as opposed to riding buses another season in AAA.
      Of course a bunch of marginal AAAA players are not worth protecting. Wimmers and Oliveros probably are, certainly. Albers, Fryer, and Colabello wouldn't be claimed by anybody on the waiver wire at the moment. And either Mastro or Presley should be gone anyway. It's befuddling how they want to protect marginal players and not protect more prospects.

      It is also strange how people mourning the loss of Duke Welker aren't more bothered by this Achter situation. I didn't care about Welker in part because of Achter's ability to fill in as the next guy in the bullpen. I hope I am wrong and he doesn't get selected.
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      He was the most likely guy to be added!
      Well, the likeliness-radar obviously needs to realign it's gimbals.
    1. The Wise One's Avatar
      The Wise One -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      Of course a bunch of marginal AAAA players are not worth protecting. Wimmers and Oliveros probably are, certainly. Albers, Fryer, and Colabello wouldn't be claimed by anybody on the waiver wire at the moment. And either Mastro or Presley should be gone anyway. It's befuddling how they want to protect marginal players and not protect more prospects.

      It is also strange how people mourning the loss of Duke Welker aren't more bothered by this Achter situation. I didn't care about Welker in part because of Achter's ability to fill in as the next guy in the bullpen. I hope I am wrong and he doesn't get selected.
      Decisions are made somehow. Perhaps by seeing the player and assessing their skills they can make a better informed decision than by reading a sheet of statistics off the internet.
    1. KGB's Avatar
      KGB -
      I have a questions: Isn't it just the players who get added to the 40 man on Wednesday can’t be removed until at least spring training?

      So you need to have player like Albers, Fryer and Colabello on your 40 man roster that will clear waivers and remain in your system and allow you to make moves before spring training. If someone is picked during the draft they have to stay on major league team for the year, if you drop someone from your 40 man roster after the draft team just need to put them on their 40 man roster.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
      I don't know that Achter has MLB stuff, but I just don't like protecting all these late 20's AAAA players. This team is rebuilding, are Albers, Johnson, Mastroianni, Colabello, Presley and Fryer really the kind of players this team needs to be protecting?

      A thought on Wimmers and Oliveros. Are the Twins rolling the dice on these two knowing it's unlikely a year removed from TJ surgery neither will likely be able to pitch a full season and stay on a 40-man? I'm not sure I like that gamble for if they get placed on a season ending DL I believe the buyer gets to retain their services the following year and gets another attempt to keep them on the roster. If I was a devious GM I might do just that and see if the player is agreeable to the arrangement. They should be as, a full season on the MLB DL would help with service time and he would get his MLB salary as opposed to riding buses another season in AAA.
      The Twins claimed Alejandro Machado in the Rule 5 and kept him on the 25-man roster all season, albeit disabled, during 2007 and when the other team didn't want him back kept him in the system the next year. He's the only player in the Twins Media Guide listed on the all-time roster that never batted or played in a game for the major league team.
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