• Ben Revere Traded to Philly for RHP Vance Worley & Top Pitching Prospect

    Vance Worley traded for Ben RevereThe Minnesota Twins have traded CF Ben Revere to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for RHP Vance Worley and a prospect. The prospect is Trevor May.

    Revere was the heir apparent for the Twins Center Field job going back to when Denard Span was dealt to the Washington Nationals for RHP Alex Meyer. He will go to the Phillies where he and Span will compete (with BJ Upton) for NL East (CF) supremacy.

    Vance Worley has spent parts of the past three seasons with the Phillies. Overall, he is 18-13 with a 3.50 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP. He also has 238 strikeouts in 277.2 (7.7 K/9).

    Trevor May is a 6-5, 215 pound right-hander. He was the #69 overall prospect according to Baseball America last year. As a 22 year old in the Eastern League (AA), he went 10-13 with a 4.87 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP. However, in 149.2 innings, he struckout 151 (and walked 78). He should fit pretty easily into the Twins top 10 prospects. He is currently ranked as the Phillies #2 prospect.

    Revere's Twins tenure is best known for his web gem frequency and his speed. He loved playing with the Twins and fans loved the smile that he always plays with. He is certainly limited offensively as a singles hitter, but he can steal bases. Some in the organization always saw him more as a 4th outfielder, so to get a solid MLB starting pitcher plus a very talented pitching prospect for him is a great move by Terry Ryan and the Twins!
    This article was originally published in blog: Revere Traded to Philly for Worley started by Seth Stohs
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    1. dwintheiser's Avatar
      dwintheiser -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post

      First, the Twins and Phillies are in vastly different places. The Phils were a .500 team who believe they should be much better than that. Just because they see Worley as expendable doesn't mean he can't be a considerable help to the Twins, who lost a bazillion games the past 2 seasons and would probably be pretty satisfied getting back to .500.
      Absolutely agree -- the Phillies won over 100 games in 2011 and still have most of those players, so I'm sure they think they're still competitive. On the other hand, it's hard to look at their starting lineup and not see that they're on the clock -- Pence and Mayberry were the only semi-regulars under 30, and Pence turns 30 next year. If they don't pull the trigger real soon, they probably lose their opportunity for another championship before the Halladay/Howard/Rollins era ends. So definitely the Twins and Phillies could value both Worley and Revere differently based on where they're at.

      I also think the Twins should be at the point where worrying about when they start a player's service time clock just isn't a big factor. I'm not sure Hicks will be ready to play Big League baseball. If he's not, he should go to Rochester. But if an honest evaluation determines that he either IS ready or will benefit more by playing every day in Minn than in Rochester, that's what he should do... regardless of what it means for his service time.
      The Twins should already know if Hicks is ready for 2013 -- three weeks in spring shouldn't change that evaluation. But if you haven't noticed, the era of 'we're not going to worry about payroll' ended a couple of months after Target Field opened. In that sense, it would be dumb for the Twins to hurry Hicks and get only three good seasons out of five when they could season him and get four good seasons out of six. On the other hand, five good seasons out of five is better than four good seasons out of six, so if the decision has already been made (and you could argue that trading two CFs in a week is a pretty strong indication of a decision), then go for it.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
      Who knows if we are better in 2013... I'd say yes at this moment because of Worley alone but who knows.

      I have a different view on things. (everyone says Duh)... Anyway... I have a different view on things... The Starting pitching to me is the big dense heavy object in the Twins Galaxy that everything ends up rotating around. Just sucked in by the gravity of it...

      I think taking two steps back on offense to gain one step forward on the mound... Is an overall step forward for the team. We still have offensive pieces in place... but if the rotation improves... You got a chance to break out of that orbit and give your team a chance to show what they are made of. Any Offense would be sucked into the black hole of the 2012 rotation.

      The team has to balance first... even if balance means a lesser offense to get down to the pitching level. (that sentence will be tough for me to explain if you don't get or agree with what I'm saying).

      I hope Terry Ryan isn't done... I assume he isn't... I think 2013 is better right now as we stand and hope it gets even better.

      Disclaimer... I'm not making the call for a title... I'm saying I feel a little improvement and a step in the right direction.
      Reading this post, I'm not clear how adding just Vance Worley/subtracting your lead-off batting CFer w/ no obvous replacement- and- the premeire defensive RF- makes this team better. One additional mid-back-rotation starter stabilizes and balances the team but one day a week
    1. DAM DC Twins Fans's Avatar
      DAM DC Twins Fans -
      A dissenting voice--dont like this trade...

      Worley is a decent pitcher--maybe a number 3--will be number 2 on Twins--but wont be enough to get us to 500. The other pitcher (May) had an ERA approaching 5 in AA ball. No matter what the official prospect list says--he is not a top prospect...bottom line we didnt get enough for Revere.

      We now have holes in CF and middle IF--yes maybe Hicks or Benson can fill CF hole, maybe not. With Willingham, Doumit, and/or Parmalee in OF, CF is going to need to be a track star to get all the balls...our pitchers are gonna give up runs. with this OF.

      2014 and forward may work IF Hicks does the job...
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      The distance between Worley and PJ Waters (or whomever he's replacing in the rotation) is greater than the distance between Revere and Mastroianni/Benson/Hicks. Our pitching is that gawdawful.

      Worley >>>>> Waters ; Revere >> Mastro

      This trade makes the Twins better in 2013 and beyond.
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      Quote Originally Posted by DAM DC Twins Fans View Post
      No matter what the official prospect list says--he is not a top prospect
      Can't argue with that logic.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      The distance between Worley and PJ Waters (or whomever he's replacing in the rotation) is greater than the distance between Revere and Mastroianni/Benson/Hicks. Our pitching is that gawdawful.

      Worley >>>>> Waters ; Revere >> Mastro

      This trade makes the Twins better in 2013 and beyond.
      Unfortunately, you have to factor the trade into the totality of all the moves thus far, the loss of Span, plus Revere, is crushing to the top of the lineup and to the OF defense. Again, Worley pitches one in five games, Span and Revere played virtually every day of the week.
    1. LaBombo's Avatar
      LaBombo -
      Quote Originally Posted by DAM DC Twins Fans View Post
      A dissenting voice--dont like this trade...

      Worley is a decent pitcher--maybe a number 3--will be number 2 on Twins--but wont be enough to get us to 500. The other pitcher (May) had an ERA approaching 5 in AA ball. No matter what the official prospect list says--he is not a top prospect...bottom line we didnt get enough for Revere.
      They lost almost 200 games the past two seasons and play in the same division as a defending AL champ whose core players are all in their prime. I could care less about the Twins making it to .500 in 2013, other than how it affects intangibles like signing free agents who want to play for a winner. And give the Twins' inability or reluctance to sign big ticket free agents, I'm not losing any sleep over that.
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      The distance between Worley and PJ Waters (or whomever he's replacing in the rotation) is greater than the distance between Revere and Mastroianni/Benson/Hicks. Our pitching is that gawdawful.

      Worley >>>>> Waters ; Revere >> Mastro

      This trade makes the Twins better in 2013 and beyond.
      Unfortunately, you have to factor the trade into the totality of all the moves thus far, the loss of Span, plus Revere, is crushing to the top of the lineup and to the OF defense. Again, Worley pitches one in five games, Span and Revere played virtually every day of the week.
      Well if we are factoring the Span trade, we'll have to factor in the remaining moves too, before we can make a determination about our competitiveness in 2013.

      In short, trading Revere for Worley+ makes the Twins better in 2013, and that seemed to be the current argument.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Number three pitchers are now just "decent"? And the Twins only surplus, besides money, is outfielders. How would people that do jot like this trade suggest the Twins get better?
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      What a steal!!!!!!!!
    1. LaBombo's Avatar
      LaBombo -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      The distance between Worley and PJ Waters (or whomever he's replacing in the rotation) is greater than the distance between Revere and Mastroianni/Benson/Hicks. Our pitching is that gawdawful.

      Worley >>>>> Waters ; Revere >> Mastro

      This trade makes the Twins better in 2013 and beyond.
      Unfortunately, you have to factor the trade into the totality of all the moves thus far, the loss of Span, plus Revere, is crushing to the top of the lineup and to the OF defense. Again, Worley pitches one in five games, Span and Revere played virtually every day of the week.
      And when he pitches, Worley, like any starter, has about as much power to affect the outcome of the game as the other 9 guys combined. Revere was a fine ballplayer, but any organization that considers the loss of a .330-ish OBP from the top of a lineup "crushing" isn't going anywhere anyway. Given that the Twins entered the offseason with a 2013 rotation with only one certain member, and one with only one year in the majors to boot, it seems to me like they've had their doubts about contending in 2013 before the winter meetings even started.

      A quick and dirty WAR comparison says Revere/Deduno = Mastro/Worley in 2012, with Mastro playing part time and Worley missing a quarter of the season. I think they have a good chance to equal or exceed what Revere and Deduno might have done/ will do for the Twins in 2013.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
      My excitement is palpable.

      Literally. I think I just crapped myself.
      I am not going to go through the comments. I will just second this and move on!
    1. Riverbrian's Avatar
      Riverbrian -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
      Who knows if we are better in 2013... I'd say yes at this moment because of Worley alone but who knows.

      I have a different view on things. (everyone says Duh)... Anyway... I have a different view on things... The Starting pitching to me is the big dense heavy object in the Twins Galaxy that everything ends up rotating around. Just sucked in by the gravity of it...

      I think taking two steps back on offense to gain one step forward on the mound... Is an overall step forward for the team. We still have offensive pieces in place... but if the rotation improves... You got a chance to break out of that orbit and give your team a chance to show what they are made of. Any Offense would be sucked into the black hole of the 2012 rotation.

      The team has to balance first... even if balance means a lesser offense to get down to the pitching level. (that sentence will be tough for me to explain if you don't get or agree with what I'm saying).

      I hope Terry Ryan isn't done... I assume he isn't... I think 2013 is better right now as we stand and hope it gets even better.

      Disclaimer... I'm not making the call for a title... I'm saying I feel a little improvement and a step in the right direction.
      Reading this post, I'm not clear how adding just Vance Worley/subtracting your lead-off batting CFer w/ no obvous replacement- and- the premeire defensive RF- makes this team better. One additional mid-back-rotation starter stabilizes and balances the team but one day a week
      Like I said... it would be tough for me to explain.

      Maybe this way... Let's say the Twins went out and were just given... Tulowitski, Cano, Longoria and Hamilton. Free pick ups for the Twins...

      It would be easy to say that the Twins would be an improved team. No doubt... Or would they... The Twins are out of balance. Those bats would be explosive but the Pitching just trumps it. We may have increased talent but have little to show for it.

      On the other side... If the Twins just simply added some arms that can keep the huge numbers off the board. Now you got a ball game and you can start to see what kind of team you have. Even if you lose a couple of players on the offensive side. A pitching staff can give you an opportunity. It's better balance in my opinion.

      Like I said... It's hard to explain and I'm sure that some dandruff is falling from the head scratching.

      How bout this way... I know Worley is just one guy... There is more work to be done on the mound but each improvement in the pitching staff is an improvement overall because the Pitching was so far down and you really can't improve until the pitching catches up and it has a lot of catching up to do... Losing offense will not hurt at all because it was going to hurt anyway until the pitching improves.

      You gotta balance things out to find out what you have on either side.

      Just theories of mine. I wish I could express this one better.
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      I think you posters are missing the major result of the trade: People are excited! They care! Fans are now believing that the Twins are moving toward building a consistent winner--and improving the team for 2013. The off-season isn't over--there will be a free agent pitcher signed who will be an improvement. Right now it's back-and-forth between player-agents and Twins/other teams. Face it they aren't calling the Twins up looking for an offer hoping to get one from the Twins--they are sort of a "last resort" option right now.
      Also consider, there are probably three teams that have already pencilled Josh Hamilton in their lineup--at least two of them are wrong! There will be further trade opportunities after the big names sign. Worrying about service time--baloney! The Twins have stated--and demonstrated that they will pay to retain top players. They are well aware that there is still an abundant supply of OF prospects--these guys have to be promoted in order for the younger to also advance--and there is a need put put some sizzle in the lineup! A new arrival--a newly promoted "hot-shot" creates excitement. Promote Hicks, see what he can do--and if he fails, trade him/demote him, and say "Next!". It's past time to be penny wise and pound foolish about constipating the minor leagues. The Twins need to put an exciting product on the field and attract top talent. If every 1st rounder has to spend 5-6 years in the minors, pretty soon no top player will sign and the Twins will have to "pass" on top amateurs in order to find someone who would actually sign with the Twins. UGH!
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      May will improve in AA this year and hopefully move to AAA at some point this season.

      Anyway, Verducci loves it for the Twins. Kevin Millar just started jabbering incoherently about Revere, including that he has a "great arm."
    1. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
      AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      May will improve in AA this year and hopefully move to AAA at some point this season.

      Anyway, Verducci loves it for the Twins. Kevin Millar just started jabbering incoherently about Revere, including that he has a "great arm."
      haha wow.....Great arm? Yeah and Kevin Millar was fast....haha

      Does anybody else ESPN does not report on anything but who they Red Sox or Yanks might go after...like this trade made no news! ESPN's "BREAKING NEWS" - "Yanks offer Youk 1 year 12 million dollar contract"..end of baseball news....god I hate most of ESPN.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      I somehow now have the MLB network and have enjoyed the winter meetings coverage.
    1. luke829's Avatar
      luke829 -
      I really don't have anything new to contribute, so I'll just go with the flow by agreeing 100%, grat trade.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Who would have thought that we would be considering who the Twins should sign as a FA fill-in OF this offseason???
    1. Riverbrian's Avatar
      Riverbrian -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
      Who would have thought that we would be considering who the Twins should sign as a FA fill-in OF this offseason???
      I'm ready for someone to provide a list because I don't feel like researching it myself. Would love to do some imaginary shopping.
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