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Twins 2019 - Go Big or Go home

Posted by beckmt , 10 October 2018 · 1,353 views

This is more a wish list, but will show how the Twins can proceed if they decide to spend the money.

Mauer Retires
Many of the lower end 40 man list is released or not offered contracts.

Signings
Corbin 5/110
Ryu or Evoldi 4/60 - 70
Herrera - 3/42
One or two more RP types mid range 2/15 each

Oderizzi traded probably would have to absorb part of contract - other choice would be Oderizzi + Kepler for a decent starter and sign AJ Pollock 5/100 - 110. (This also protects the Twins against Buxton not making it).

Sign a second baseman or SS or a 1 - 2 year contract until Lewis arrives (or another middle infielder). 2/12 - 14

This gives the Twins a decent starting lineup plus pitching

Catchers - Castro, Garver
1B Austin
2B FA or Polonco
SS Polonco or FA
3B - Sano
OF Rosario, Pollock, Cave or Rosario, Buxton, Pollock

Bench Garver Austiddo, Cave or Buxton, Adrianza

Pitching
SP Berrios, Gibson, Corbin, Ryu or Evoldi, Trade or a winner of spring training battle
RP May, Rogers, Herrera, Hildenberger, FA1, FA2, Drake or loser of young starting pitching battle

Payroll Depending on extention signings around $130 - $150 million (talking of adding 60 - 80 million before arbitration signings)

Have at it.

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Haven't we learned our lesson on giving out deals like that one to Corbin? $110M?! Sure, he's a good starting pitcher, but I could see that dealing failing real fast.

 

I'd be alright with signing Pollock, but looking at his track record I could easily see his trajectory starting to point downwards now that he'll be 31 next year. 

 

I would do that Kelvin Herrera deal, though. We could really use a good closer.

    • Kelly Vance likes this

Corbin may have been a bit high, I was guessing as starting pitching is a hard commodity to get.If you have forgotten Gibson, Oderizzi and Pineda will all be free agents after 2019.Twins need some sure things in the rotation and not all kids in 2020.All kids may work, just do not like to bet on it. 

Outside of Pineda (if he has a good year) do not want a long term committment with any of Gibson or Oderizzi after next year.

    • ChrisKnutson likes this

I don't imagine the Diamondbacks will let Corbin go without offering a pretty nice contract. Same as Ryu and the Dodgers. Eovaldi has done well for Boston.

 

I wish you had listed equally good pitchers coming from Kansas City, Baltimore, San Diego, Cincinnati, etc. The teams that these pitchers are attached are successful and have money.

In most cases, lots of it.

 

Outside of Pineda (if he has a good year) do not want a long term committment with any of Gibson or Oderizzi after next year.

I appreciate your reluctance, but Gibson led the team in ERA and ERA+. He was second to Berrios in FIP and WHIP.

I'd try to lock him up for a couple extra years.

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I don't imagine the Diamondbacks will let Corbin go without offering a pretty nice contract. Same as Ryu and the Dodgers. Eovaldi has done well for Boston.

 

I wish you had listed equally good pitchers coming from Kansas City, Baltimore, San Diego, Cincinnati, etc. The teams that these pitchers are attached are successful and have money.

In most cases, lots of it.

Most of these players where from Arizona, which does not have money, in fact has a money crunch this fall.Other pitchers do not know, but Dodgers have many extra starters, and Boston has several players due raises.  

 

I appreciate your reluctance, but Gibson led the team in ERA and ERA+. He was second to Berrios in FIP and WHIP.

I'd try to lock him up for a couple extra years.

 

Appreciate you taking time for the comments, just do not trust Gibson, and do not think at this juncture, Twins would be able to offer a contract that he would accept rather than try FA.

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ChrisKnutson
Oct 12 2018 06:31 PM
Please do not expect the FO to go all in this offseason, you’ll only be disappointed. Besides, it’s not like we’re in a good position to go all in anyways, I mean we are looking for a new manager, right?
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Kelly Vance
Oct 14 2018 09:31 PM

 

I appreciate your reluctance, but Gibson led the team in ERA and ERA+. He was second to Berrios in FIP and WHIP.

I'd try to lock him up for a couple extra years.

Gibson has finally leaned how to pitch, and it shows. Besides, I think he has 5 or so good years left. A short extension rewards him for his work and vindicates our faith

 

Gibson, sign him for 3-years and an option, but do consider trading him if he pitchers well.

 

You have to find starts in 2019 for the next crop to see what you do have. Ae goncalves and Stewart for real? Can Romero be a stud come 2020. When do you pitch Thorpe.

 

Chances of Odorizzi and Pineda being here in 2020 are slim to none. If they pitch great, you get MORE prospects.

 

Sano is the BIG question. Is he at third, first or just a DH. If you move him to 1B/DH, then you need a third baseman. Will be interesting to see the monies thrown at Escobar.

 

I doubt the Twins will spend BIG in the free agent market, and sadly any monies saved in 2019 WON'T be added to 2020 and beyond. The fat wallet is always a plus in Pohlad land, it seems.

 

Again, they will try and do some stopgaps that may be flippable. I would not consider that to be ALL bad, if the bodies perform a tad better than, say, Lynn and Morrison and Reed did this apst year. WOuldn't it be funny if the Twins signed Dozier for a one-year, only to flip him again in mid-season?