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Making the Stroman Deal for Minnesota

Posted by Ted Schwerzler , 12 July 2019 · 1,915 views

minnesota twins marcus stroman ken giles brusdar graterol alex kirilloff
At this point the Minnesota Twins are undoubtedly amping up their efforts to acquire big league assets for the stretch run and Postseason. I've been on record multiple times suggesting I'd like to see at least to moves made, and a starter coming more as a luxury. Unless the starting pitcher is under team control, go big on expiring relief help and call it a day. The most realistic name I'm intrigued by in that vein is Marcus Stroman. So, how does Derek Falvey pry him away from the Toronto Blue Jays?

Although the idea of acquiring Stroman is significantly more enticing than grabbing a rental like Madison Bumgarner, the cost will also represent a more substantial amount. I'd hope that Minnesota could go into talks with the idea that Royce Lewis, Alex Kirilloff, and Brusdar Graterol are all off limits. Understanding that may not be completely realistic we'll progress with two different possibilities.

Option A: Minnesota Twins acquire SP Marcus Stroman and RP Ken Giles. Toronto Blue Jays acquire OF Brent Rooker, SS Wander Javier, RHP Jorge Alcala, and OF Akil Baddoo

Something like this is where Minnesota should want to be. I'm not certain that this will be enough for Toronto to pull the trigger, but there's two legitimate top 10 prospects from a very good system included here. Trevor Larnach could be swapped out for Rooker depending on preference, and any number of similar prospects could be had in the place of Baddoo. Hanging on to the top trio will cost more bodies, and there would likely be a larger premium placed on the secondary additions in this case.

Option B: Minnesota Twins acquire SP Marcus Stroman and RP Ken Giles. Toronto Blue Jays acquire RHP Brusdar Graterol, INF Travis Blankenhorn, and RHP Edwar Colina.

If Minnesota is willing to part with any bit of that top trio then it should be the only player in their top 10 necessary of inclusion. Graterol could draw skepticism from opposing teams as he's currently dealing with a shoulder injury, and there still remains a possibility he winds up in the bullpen. I'd hesitate a significant amount if the ask is to swap him out for Kirilloff, but that could be the cost of doing business.

Reality is that the Twins haven't had a perfect storm like this in quite some time. This club needs a big boost down for the stretch run, and they are well positioned to make serious Postseason noise. On top of that, they have legitimate openings going into next season and a controllable starter like Stroman isn't just a short term play.

Signing big ticket free agents hasn't always been the optimal path to roster construction, and it's one the Twins have avoided as recent as this season. There will be a 40 man roster crunch coming, and a 25 man shakedown beyond that. Hording prospects is a good thing, but realizing some are best utilized as moveable assets, and which ones specifically, is part of what makes a good front office.

Things are about to get very interesting in Twins Territory over the next few weeks. Whether on the field or in the back office, you won't want to look away.

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I vote option B

ESPN suggests a Bumgarner/Smith trade would require something like Kirilloff, Thorpe and 2 more. The Stroman/Giles combo should cost more than the Bumgarner/Smith rentals. I think it would work better for the Twins and especially the Blue Jays to go Johnny Cash on this one (one piece at a time). The Yankees probably aren't interested in Ken Giles but would put together a nice deal for Stroman (propbably centered around MLB ready Clint Frazier).With the number of teams on the bubble this year, Stroman's extra year might be the target for many teams. Just Stroman alone is going to take a haul. It would almost certainly take one of the "untouchables" to grab both Stroman and Giles.

 

From MLB.com on the lesser duo of Bumgarner/Smith

Giants stars Madison Bumgarner and Will Smith are two of the biggest names on the trade rumor mill. It’s not often we see a rebuilding team put multiple chips in one deal, but could it happen?

One possibility, as suggested by ESPN’s Bradford Doolittle (subscription required), would send both free-agent-to-be lefties to the upstart AL Central-leading Twins for prospects: outfielder Alex Kirilloff, southpaw Lewis Thorpe and two more young pieces.

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Ted Schwerzler
Jul 12 2019 05:00 PM

ESPN suggests a Bumgarner/Smith trade would require something like Kirilloff, Thorpe and 2 more.[/i]


The ESPN piece Buster tweeted out this morning is goofy. I’ll eat crow if it’s right, but a #3 rental is not costing the Twins anywhere near their top 3 or they should be interested. Stroman probably gets into that group.

This whole notion that a Madison Bumgarner is the prize because of his name remains beyond laughable.

That Giants trade is a JOKE.Nothing more than rumor mill gristle.The Stroman/Giles trades are O.K. but I wouldn't give up Kiriloff.I would go for a 26-year old pitcher with MUCH better stuff who is also under contract thru 2020.That pitcher is Noah Syndergaard and Wes Johnson and Co. could do a LOT with his talent.I propose trading Graterol, Sano, Castro and Nick Gordon for Thor and Edwin Diaz. The Mets are a MESS right now and Thor COULD be had for the right deal.Sano replaces Todd Frazier, Castro gives them their first major league catcher since Piazza.Graterol & Gordon give them young talent.Throw in Gonsalves for good measure.The Mets need some talent ready to contribute immediatly (Sano, Castro) and some future talent that could contribute soon (Graterol, Gordon) and someone to take a flyer on (Gonsalves).  

Agree the Giants proposal us ridiculous for a pair of rentals. IF Bumgarner was not a rental and the Twins truly thought they could work with him to beat #2 or really, really good #3 I'd consider it.

Again IF the Jay's trade was real, I like it so much more for many reasons. Were it a reality, trying to look at it from the Jay's perspective, I think I'd lean to option A. Again, from their perspective, I think I'd want another 5th player thrown in to the deal. There is enough question about Javier and Badoo and their 2019 seasons and low level in the system...despite talent and potential...that I would need that 5th piece, or swap out someone I felt was closer to the ML level or felt more SURE about. Maybe Larnach instead of Badoo, OR, toss in Gonsalves or toss in Blankenhorn as the 5th option.

That kind of deal hurts, but does nothing to decimate the system.

From the Jay's perspective, I have, of course, PROSPECTS, but some immensely talented prospects. I may have to wait a couple years for some of them, but it would be worth the wait.

This would seem fair to me.

 

That Giants trade is a JOKE.Nothing more than rumor mill gristle.The Stroman/Giles trades are O.K. but I wouldn't give up Kiriloff.I would go for a 26-year old pitcher with MUCH better stuff who is also under contract thru 2020.That pitcher is Noah Syndergaard and Wes Johnson and Co. could do a LOT with his talent.I propose trading Graterol, Sano, Castro and Nick Gordon for Thor and Edwin Diaz. The Mets are a MESS right now and Thor COULD be had for the right deal.Sano replaces Todd Frazier, Castro gives them their first major league catcher since Piazza.Graterol & Gordon give them young talent.Throw in Gonsalves for good measure.The Mets need some talent ready to contribute immediatly (Sano, Castro) and some future talent that could contribute soon (Graterol, Gordon) and someone to take a flyer on (Gonsalves).  

I like the idea of the Mets trade, but do not expect Catro in the deal.For two reasons, Mets would not want a guy at end of deal, they could sign him in offseason if they want, and Twins will be down to 1 catcher until the turtle comes back, which no time table is set.  

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In My La-Z-boy
Jul 15 2019 11:08 AM

What do you think it takes to land Boyd & Greene? Normally I would not consider a trade within the division - but these 2 are the 2 from the same team to get. Controllable till 2022 - better than the Giants 2 or the BlueJays 2 I think. Stroman/Giles are also both a locker room challenge - reports I've read on both suggest this anyway? I also like a Mets deal w/Wheeler and Lugo - I don't see them offering up Syndergaard for anyone. The benefit of a Giants deal has to be giving way less. I'm in if it costs AAA guys who aren't getting to Target field any time soon. If we're giving up top ten guys below AAA then I don't want rentals. We need a starting 5 next year.

I don't see the Twins making any deal that includes anyone on the Major League roster.Possibly one of Astudillo or Arianza, but it's unlikely that a team in rebuild mode would covet either of them.Perhaps Cave might have value, but the Twins won't make any move that upsets the core that they have in place.They are looking to supplement what they have, not subtract.