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Post Hoc, October 8, 2017

Posted by ashburyjohn , 08 October 2017 · 836 views

Not that anyone asked, but in the past day or so I posted in these Twins Daily threads...
  • Who, besides Robbie Grossman himself, deserves credit for Grossman's improved defensive stats in the outfield, as well as improvement in the eye-test according to yours truly? My general recollection has been less wandering about in search of fly balls. If Jeff Pickler is in charge of coaching the outfielders, kudos to him. Now, about Buxton banging repeatedly into center field walls...
  • On a post-season broadcast, Matt Vasgersian reportedly opined that managers should not be allowed to add check-swings as another call that can be appealed. I agree. When the automated strike zone becomes a reality, the cameras presumably will be able to track the bat head's progress (or lack) across the plate area. Until that day, stopping the game for such appeals is not a good investment of time.
  • Sheesh, Jacque Jones. That's how you treat someone you were close to? To paraphrase another's wisdom, can't we all just get along?
  • If surgery is needed for Sano's aching leg, I'd vote for proceeding ASAP. While caution is medically advisable, it's also likely that his conditioning regimen is suffering at present.


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Hosken Bombo Disco
Oct 09 2017 09:44 AM
1. Pickler to Grossman: "Go stand where I told you, about 5 to 10 feet from the foul line, and only chase balls towards the line. Don't chase anything hit further into the field of play." Sounds about right. :) I think it can work.

2. Makes too much sense. If the bat barrel (or any of the bat) enters the strike zone, call it a swing. Perfectly fair. I think there would be many more check swing strikes. My gut sense tells me that batters get more leeway than they deserve. Maybe more strikes means faster games, for the "make games faster" crowd.

3. Ugly

4. Unfortunate.

Wasn't there a fifth? Asking for a friend.
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ashburyjohn
Oct 09 2017 10:49 AM

5. Personal to Chief: Were you born cranky, or did you have to work at it?

 

(Expecting the reply from him to be "yes.")

I thought I heard someone say on air that the rulebook doesn't really clearly call out how a "checked swing" works.. it can be the wrists, it can be the bat head crossing the plate, it can be the bat breaking the parallel with the front of the plate..

 

I did a quick scan of the rules and didn't find any detail.

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ashburyjohn
Oct 10 2017 05:42 PM

I thought I heard someone say on air that the rulebook doesn't really clearly call out how a "checked swing" works.. it can be the wrists, it can be the bat head crossing the plate, it can be the bat breaking the parallel with the front of the plate..

 

I did a quick scan of the rules and didn't find any detail.

Fun question. Closest I can come is (2017 version) "Rule 8.02[c] Comment". It makes repeated use of the term "half swing". This term shows up nowhere else in the rules. Lacking any specific definition, common sense would tell me that a line perpendicular to the batter should be imagined, and if the bat goes beyond this, then it's a swing. Since the batter normally is squared away and is astride the plate, this would have the bat cross no more than half the plate. But if the stance is different, the bat might cross or not cross the plate at the halfway point.

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ashburyjohn
Oct 11 2017 07:03 AM

Stew Thornley is not an MLB ump, of course, but he checked the case book for me and "there is stuff on appealing a half swing but nothing on what a half swing is. So the best answer is, "I know it when I see it,"