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What's wrong with Nick's column

Posted by the_brute_squad , 01 June 2020 · 6,118 views

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There are many things in Nick's article that are incorrect, and some that I agree with. This isn't meant to attack but to show a different viewpoint that he might not see.

"Our community is broken. Our country is broken."
We live in the greatest country on earth. Our community/country is not broken. You are stating your opinion as fact. A tragic death lead to a protest which lead to planned riots and anarchists coming to Mpls and many large cities throughout the nation. There are problems with bad police. There are problems with bad media that spreads divide. There are problems with bad plumbers, electricians, bankers, etc... that believe the divide and buy into the hate and anger. Go to most communities and you'll see blacks, whites, brown, you name the color, all get along.People that live in the same community or neighborhood will defend those they associate with regardless of color because of their shared interests or shared sense of community.
"To shy away from this conversation is to contribute to the widespread apathy and complacency that has brought us to this tragic state." "Unaware of what the mask meant."
Why does he need to get involved in the conversation? There isn't one person I've seen in social media whether they be on the left or right that has condoned the former cops horrible actions. He's been condemned in every corner. Believe it or not he doesn't have to post his every thought on social issues. He already got harassed by wearing a blue lives matter face mask. (To those people that shamed him, shame on you. Those officers protect your freedoms and risk their lives every day. A cop in Waseca is learning to walk again because he was shot by meth dealer/addict). There's nothing wrong with supporting the police because 99% of them are good and want to uphold the law. What does the mask mean? It means that police lives matter, too. By saying that police lives don't matter you create the divide that was mentioned earlier.

"Racism has no place in our world and I do not in any way support the actions that we all witnessed that led to George Floyd’s passing.”
Max denounced racism. He denounced the murder. He doesn't need to part of a demonstration to make a change. He can do that by backing his friends in his own private way. Because you don't see him out on the streets carrying a sign or screaming at the police doesn't make his statements any less important.
"Not into politics [peace sign]." This is the attitude that has gotten our society to this point: comfortable white people choosing to excuse themselves from the conversation, because it doesn't affect them personally."
Do you actually believe we have a more civil society with the combination of social media and politics? He doesn't need to be into politics...at least no publicly. He can have Walter Mondale buttons or Barry Goldwater signs in his garage for all we know. This murder is not political and murder never should be. "comfortable white" people? Seriously??? If a person isn't interested in politics it doesn't make them a comfortable white person. Would you say the same about someone that's black and not involved in political discourse? You are making a group think statement that everyone must think and act as you.

"Kepler's comments come as a slap in the face to a grieving and enraged community where he's supposed to be a leader."
I've spent a lot of time on social media lately and I haven't seen one person clamoring to hear Max Keplers take on the protests/riots. As a matter of fact I haven't seen anyone wondering what any of the MN Twins, Vikings, or any other professional organization is saying. It's not a slap in the face to the community at all. The community doesn't need Max Kepler to say anything. Who appointed him as a leader and what is he a leader of? Most people that I know don't look to baseball players as leaders. They look to him to make plays on the field.
I personally don't care what Chris Cuomo says. I had to get that in only because your news source quote pegs you as left of center. If you had quoted people on both sides of the aisle it adds credibility. That's more of a journalism critique than anything else.
"precisely what perpetuates a lack of change that is destroying us."
Kepler on the sidelines isn't the problem. What's the underlying problem? Is it the people in the city or the people running it. If it's the people in the city then the problem was there long before Max got here. If it's the people running the city you have to look at who has been running the city for decades. The problem isn't new so you're going to have to go back. If people won't vote for a change then the problem will continue.

"Kepler and the Twins aren't playing baseball due to a global health crisis that has sadly been framed as "political" by some".
It is sad that a health crisis is political. 80% of the deaths in MN have been in Long term care facilities. A new study out of Max's home country shows that a majority of the people would have eventually died this year regardless. When all the info doesn't come out and people are left in the dark it's going to become political.
"our site's audience is predominately white, and relatively affluent. We are the voices needed most in this fight."
Soft bigotry at it's finest. Our voices our no more important than the poorest minority in the poorest area of Minneapolis/St Paul. I can't speak to their plight, any injustice (real or perceived), or relate to what it's like to get pulled over because of color. I can only advocate for justice for every human being that walks the earth.

"a meaningless platitude, copping out with a "not into politics" comment is not an option...."We need to confront these issues seriously,"
It's meaningless to you if you view it that way. To me it means he wants peace and you see, not into politics is an option. I believe what bothers you is he's not into your politics and you want him to be. Politics is a touchy issue. The blue lives matter mask proved it. He plays for 100% of Minnesotans, not just the ones who want him to be politically active.
Everyone - at least caring, logical people, want injustice to end. What really needs to happen right now is justice for George Floyd.

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Very well thought through. I had several of those thoughts as I read through Nick's article. I am just hoping that politics stays out of the Twins Daily site. One reason I enjoy this sight is that it usually sticks to baseball.  

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Nailed it!!!!

 

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You nailed many of my thoughts.Thanks.

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Excellent brute_squad.Very well thought out and very well written.I just wish Nick had spent 1/10th the time thinking over what he wanted to say like you did, but he had an agenda to push (which he can if he wants, it's HIS platform) but 85% of us also have the right to reject the snake oil he's selling (which we did).  

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Thank you for sharing this with us.

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Buddy Holly
Jun 02 2020 09:22 AM

Well said. I agree with your thoughts. 

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jun 02 2020 10:05 AM
I have not read the above commentary yet, but I will. And I will probably disagree with a lot of it. I just want to say I appreciate coming to the blog and willing to speak your mind and think out your thoughts without resorting to quick and easy mud slinging in the other thread.
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>>>>>>" Our community is broken. Our country is broken."

We live in the greatest country on earth. Our community/country is not broken. You are stating your opinion as fact. A tragic death lead to a protest which lead to planned riots and anarchists coming to Mpls and many large cities throughout the nation."  
 

There are things wrong with Nicks post, but "Our community is broken. Our country is broken.", isn’t one of them. The assertion that a tragic death led to this protest is somewhat simplistic. It disregards the totality of not only the last three months of news stories related to this issue, but the last 400 years as well. Toss in the Covid, and the resultant financial crisis, and you have far more than a "tragic death" in play here. 
 

We do live in a great country, but it’s not quite as great as we like to believe. Members of this site love metrics. And a precursory dive into a list of metrics that quantify  our standings in the issues that define "great country" isn’t as pretty as some seem fo believe. 
 

Nicks piece and your response do have some positive points, and do have some of which I disagree with, But, until we all take a deep unvarnished look at what has and is happening in this country, we will never have the wherewithal to make it what we, in our wishful thinking, believe it now is. 

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jun 03 2020 10:05 AM
My take on it, in one sentence, is that Max Kepler accidentally stepped in dog s*** and then did a bad job of cleaning it off his shoe before coming back into the house. Kepler should have looked to what Baldelli said as a better response. Kepler will probably be asked about it again at some point. This is going to be a long, long national conversation.
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woolywoolhouse
Jun 03 2020 11:49 AM

"We live in the greatest country on earth."

 

I love my country, but statistics just say that isn't true and in many cases it is not close. Here are some rankings to check out from a 2019 study/ranking published in US News & World Report that ranked 80 countries in 75 different metrics (from a survey of 20,000 across the globe) https://www.newsweek...p-five-1300813:

 

Perceptions of Trustworthiness by other countries - 27

Healthcare - 10

Food - 11

Wine - 7

Citizenship - 16

Quality of Life - 17

 

Ranked outside of top 20 in: Heritage; Best Countries for Solo Travel; Best Countries to Invest in; Best Countries for a comfortable retirement; Best Countries to start a career.

 

The only things the USA ranked one in are military strength (of course, when your military budget equals that of the next seven total, it should probably be good); and number of citizens in prison. 

 

It's important to have pride in your country, but the statistics show the United States of America has a lot of room for improvement.

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"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic.

 

We have a president who dispels peaceful protesters with chemical irritants for a fake photo opp. We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification. We have a policeman with at least 17 complaints of misconduct who murders a handcuffed man in broad daylight, with three of his colleagues watching and doing nothing. 

 

Our country is broken, and far from the "greatest in the world." Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

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"We live in the greatest country on earth."

 

I love my country, but statistics just say that isn't true and in many cases it is not close. Here are some rankings to check out from a 2019 study/ranking published in US News & World Report that ranked 80 countries in 75 different metrics (from a survey of 20,000 across the globe) https://www.newsweek...p-five-1300813:

 

Perceptions of Trustworthiness by other countries - 27

Healthcare - 10

Food - 11

Wine - 7

Citizenship - 16

Quality of Life - 17

 

Ranked outside of top 20 in: Heritage; Best Countries for Solo Travel; Best Countries to Invest in; Best Countries for a comfortable retirement; Best Countries to start a career.

 

The only things the USA ranked one in are military strength (of course, when your military budget equals that of the next seven total, it should probably be good); and number of citizens in prison. 

 

It's important to have pride in your country, but the statistics show the United States of America has a lot of room for improvement.

 

You're response to America is a pretty good place is an article which says the wine is kind of crap and it's more fun to travel with another person? It even says Qatar is a better place to start a business. Do you think that is also true for a woman or someone in the LGBT community? Qatar may not, but a couple of countries around there have a fun game where they toss gay people off of buildings. Totally where I'm going to start my own pizzeria. They also only asked 20,000 people across the globe. Current global population is 7.8 billion. That's means they asked .00025641% of the global population what the best country is. Sorry, that article and study itself isn't worth the server space it is currently taking up.

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"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic.

 

We have a president who dispels peaceful protesters with chemical irritants for a fake photo opp. We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification. We have a policeman with at least 17 complaints of misconduct who murders a handcuffed man in broad daylight, with three of his colleagues watching and doing nothing. 

 

Our country is broken, and far from the "greatest in the world." Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic."

 

Just because you believe this to be true doesn't mean it is. Funny how people in these various threads that are calling for systemic change seem really adverse to providing evidence to backup their statements.

 

"We have a president who dispels peaceful protesters with chemical irritants for a fake photo opp. We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification. We have a policeman with at least 17 complaints of misconduct who murders a handcuffed man in broad daylight, with three of his colleagues watching and doing nothing."

 

We had a President who threw critics in jail without habeas corpus. That was Abraham Lincoln.

 

We had a President who so strongly believed that white's were superior that he aired 'Birth of a Nation' in the White House. That was Woodrow Wilson.

 

We had a President who killed US citizens overseas without a trial. That was Barack Obama.

 

The Constitution is totally modifiable. It's been modified 27 times. They're called amendments.

 

If a policeman has 17 complaints and hasn't been fired, that's not a country problem, that's a problem with voters in that area. If they keep electing the same people to office over and over again who allow that to happen, that's on them.

 

Finally, our country isn't perfect. How could it be? It was created and it is maintained by people. That being said, I'd like to know what country/countries you think are better.

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"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic."

 

Just because you believe this to be true doesn't mean it is. Funny how people in these various threads that are calling for systemic change seem really adverse to providing evidence to backup their statements.

 

"We have a president who dispels peaceful protesters with chemical irritants for a fake photo opp. We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification. We have a policeman with at least 17 complaints of misconduct who murders a handcuffed man in broad daylight, with three of his colleagues watching and doing nothing."

 

We had a President who threw critics in jail without habeas corpus. That was Abraham Lincoln.

 

We had a President who so strongly believed that white's were superior that he aired 'Birth of a Nation' in the White House. That was Woodrow Wilson.

 

We had a President who killed US citizens overseas without a trial. That was Barack Obama.

 

The Constitution is totally modifiable. It's been modified 27 times. They're called amendments.

 

If a policeman has 17 complaints and hasn't been fired, that's not a country problem, that's a problem with voters in that area. If they keep electing the same people to office over and over again who allow that to happen, that's on them.

 

Finally, our country isn't perfect. How could it be? It was created and it is maintained by people. That being said, I'd like to know what country/countries you think are better.

 

For the first part, I suggest you read "The System," by Robert Reich.

 

We will likely never see another amendment to the Constitution, unless it's for something completely meaningless and worthless like flag burning. 

 

If it wasn't for family I would strongly consider moving to Canada, one of the Nordic countries, perhaps Germany. And yes, I've been to each of them and have traveled internationally extensively, and lived overseas for a year. I'm ashamed at the mess of a country I am leaving my children and grandchildren - a country that is financially, politically, racially and morally broken.

 

"We live in the greatest country on earth."

 

I love my country, but statistics just say that isn't true and in many cases it is not close. Here are some rankings to check out from a 2019 study/ranking published in US News & World Report that ranked 80 countries in 75 different metrics (from a survey of 20,000 across the globe) https://www.newsweek...p-five-1300813:

 

Perceptions of Trustworthiness by other countries - 27

Healthcare - 10

Food - 11

Wine - 7

Citizenship - 16

Quality of Life - 17

 

Ranked outside of top 20 in: Heritage; Best Countries for Solo Travel; Best Countries to Invest in; Best Countries for a comfortable retirement; Best Countries to start a career.

 

The only things the USA ranked one in are military strength (of course, when your military budget equals that of the next seven total, it should probably be good); and number of citizens in prison. 

 

It's important to have pride in your country, but the statistics show the United States of America has a lot of room for improvement.

 

Survey data. Who cares.

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"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic.

 

We have a president who dispels peaceful protesters with chemical irritants for a fake photo opp. We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification. We have a policeman with at least 17 complaints of misconduct who murders a handcuffed man in broad daylight, with three of his colleagues watching and doing nothing. 

 

Our country is broken, and far from the "greatest in the world." Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

 

1. Are you totally ignorant?Have you heard of Article V of the US Constitution?Probably not.

 

2.Who runs the Minneapolis police department?Hint:It aint Donald Trump. If there is a police officer who has 17 complaints ask the Democratic Mayors and City Councils, and in the end, the voters of the city of Minneapolis why this is the case? 

 

The real problem with the country is centered on the urban areas of the nation that have been completely dominated politically by the Democratic Party. The last Republican mayor of the City was elected in 1957 and served one term.From 1945, when Hubert H. Humphrey was elected mayor of Minneapolis, the Democrats have been in office for 71 of those 75 years.  

The Democrats control who the Police Chief is. Who the senior commanders of the police force are.They determine the policies and procedures of the agency.  

 

Likewise, they control the school systems of the city.If there is a problem with education for inner city minorities, this is where you complain. 

 

Why these political actors get a free pass on this is totally amazing.There is ZERO political opposition to them in the City.They have treated the black community as their captive audience, dependent upon them like slaves to a master.And this dependence has created continued power.  

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1. Are you totally ignorant?Have you heard of Article V of the US Constitution?Probably not.

 

2.Who runs the Minneapolis police department?Hint:It aint Donald Trump. If there is a police officer who has 17 complaints ask the Democratic Mayors and City Councils, and in the end, the voters of the city of Minneapolis why this is the case? 

 

The real problem with the country is centered on the urban areas of the nation that have been completely dominated politically by the Democratic Party. The last Republican mayor of the City was elected in 1957 and served one term.From 1945, when Hubert H. Humphrey was elected mayor of Minneapolis, the Democrats have been in office for 71 of those 75 years.  

The Democrats control who the Police Chief is. Who the senior commanders of the police force are.They determine the policies and procedures of the agency.  

 

Likewise, they control the school systems of the city.If there is a problem with education for inner city minorities, this is where you complain. 

 

Why these political actors get a free pass on this is totally amazing.There is ZERO political opposition to them in the City.They have treated the black community as their captive audience, dependent upon them like slaves to a master.And this dependence has created continued power.  

I suggest you read Steve Fletcher's twitter feed for a description of what happens when a council member does something in opposition to the police union.

 

https://twitter.com/MplsWard3

 

"We live in the greatest country on earth" is the laziest possible statement ever. The transfer of money and power to the top 1% has effectively destroyed our democracy and turned us into the equivalent of a banana republic.

and yet almost everybody in America is in the 1% of the world.

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For the first part, I suggest you read "The System," by Robert Reich.

 

We will likely never see another amendment to the Constitution, unless it's for something completely meaningless and worthless like flag burning. 

 

If it wasn't for family I would strongly consider moving to Canada, one of the Nordic countries, perhaps Germany. And yes, I've been to each of them and have traveled internationally extensively, and lived overseas for a year. I'm ashamed at the mess of a country I am leaving my children and grandchildren - a country that is financially, politically, racially and morally broken.

I have actually read Robert Reich. Sometimes his analysis can be a stretch and he tends to use a very one sided political lens. It's totally his right to do so but it does sometimes cause him issues in his conclusions.

You initially said "We have an obsolete Constitution that does not allow for modification", now you're saying "We will likely never see another amendment". Which one is it? Can you modify the Constitution or not?


You didn't respond to my pointing out that presidents do terrible crap all the time.

You also didn't respond to the point that the policeman still being on the force was due to inaction by voters in Minneapolis.


Those are all lovely countries. I've been to a few but not all and would enjoy finishing off the list. However, in all of those countries, if you were to say something that the majority disagreed with you could be tossed in jail. None of them have the right to free speech enshrined in their founding documents. Sorry, they're not better.

"I'm ashamed at the mess of a country I am leaving my children and grandchildren - a country that is financially, politically, racially and morally broken."

As for this statement, it is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I would just point out that nowhere on the planet do you have a better chance of making things better than you do in the US.

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I suggest you read Steve Fletcher's twitter feed for a description of what happens when a council member does something in opposition to the police union.

 

https://twitter.com/MplsWard3

I've always believed that public sector unions should be gotten rid of. They're ridiculous. You're public employees negotiating against the taxpayer.

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