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Last of the best - GMs/Owners

Posted by mikelink45 , 06 March 2019 · 1,590 views

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Last of the best - GMs/Owners
  • Bill Smith
  • Carl Pohlad
  • Rob Antony
  • Thad Lavine
  • Terry Ryan
  • Calvin Griffith
  • Jim pohlad
  • Howard Fox
  • Andy MacPhail

The Best Twins General Manager and owner - really a difficult task - the manager, the owner, the GM, the players - who do you blame?


• Calvin Griffith. (1961 – 1984) It is not a long list since Calvin served as both owner and general manager. We won a World Series under Calvin, he moved the team to Minnesota, he insulted and lost Rod Carew.

• Howard Fox. (1985 – 1986) He was a member of the Twins organization for sixty years. When he was traveling secretary, he had a fight with Billy Martin on the team plane. After Calvin sold the team he stayed on as team president for two years under Pohlad.

• Andy MacPhail (Won WS twice in 1987 and 1991) Andy was the boy wonder. He was hired as VP for player development in 1984 and GM in 1985. He hired Tom Kelly, and traded for Jeff Reardon to close out games and pitchers Joe Niekro and Dan Schatzeder as well as outfielder Dan Gladden. Then after a last place finish in signed Jack Morris and we went on to another pennant while McPhail became Sporting News Executive of the Year. He then left for Chicago Cubs, which did not work out as well. Now he is president of the free spending Phillies.

• Terry Ryan (1995-2007, again from 2012 - 2016) From Janesville, WI, Ryan had an unsuccessful career as a pitcher, but became a prolific scout for the Mets where he developed his reputation for player evaluation. He was smart enough to trade Dave Hollins to Seattle for David Ortiz, but did not keep him long enough to see his true development. Stuck with tight budgets he often dumped vets, but was savvy enough to trade for Shannon Stewart when the team needed him. In 2002 the Twins were the victors over Oakland in the playoffs, and he was named executive of the year while the team was the Organization of the year. He left with a good reputation, but returned in 2012 and lost some of his luster as the changing times caught up with him.

• Bill Smith (2008-2011) was Ryan’s replacement. He was a loyal member of the front office and assistant to Ryan. However his star never rose and names like Matt Capps will forever stain his reputation. He was fired, the first GM to be fired by the team and Ryan came back.

• Terry Ryan became the second GM fired by the Twins, but then there are not very many and perhaps the first one would have been fired had he not owned the team.

• Rob Antony (interim 2016) A filler, not much to say.

• Thad Levine (2016-present) Too early to tell.


So how do I judge the best. We won world series under Griffith and MacPhail. Ryan and MacPhail both won Executive of the year.


Average wins per season under GM
Griffith 80 wins
Fox 79
MacPhail 71
Ryan – first round 85
Bill Smith 83
Terry Ryan – second round 71


At the end of this look and after reading a lot of material I conclude that I cannot really judge. MacPhail looked like the Wonderman, but his teams could not sustain. Was he the best? He could not do it with the Cubs and he went higher in the front office with the Phillies who have not done well, but have now tried to buy the championship. Ryan has the best average wins under his first stint.


Of course, this also reflects on the manager – these are the men who sign the players. They determine what the manager has to work with. It is really hard to figure out a really good metric for them. Was Calvin better than MacPhail – he has more wins per season – but long time Twins fans would faint at that decision.


I am not going to do a best owner – Calvin is here and was the owner until Carl Pohlad bought the team and then son Jim took over. Not a lot to look at and not a lot of difference. One WS under Calvin, 2 under the Pohlads. One contraction threat under the Pohlads, lots of racist statements from Calvin. The average wins per season does not vary much between the two families. So I have no choice in this and only hope the next one is the best.

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Fun to see that Twinkietown picked up on this and chose Gardenhire for their manager.

 

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Joe A. Preusser
Mar 06 2019 04:44 PM
My vote goes to McPhail. The two World Series tip the scales in his favor. But Ryan is a darn close second. He really is the historical face of the Twins FO. And if we now remember him as outdated, remember that for most of his tenure he was not so. The old "Twins Way" just eventually ran its course.
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Not to pick, but what World Series did we win under Calvin Griffith? We went to the series in '65, but lost to Sandy Koufax. 1969-70 we got out Orioled in the playoffs.

 

I pick Terry Ryan. MLB tried to scrap the Twins completely in 2002 and we went and won the division, then ran for about a decade of really good baseball. If we could have made a World Series appearance during his tenure, that would have clinched it.

 

Made the best deals ever getting Johan Santana and cash for Jared Camp, and Nathan, Liriano & Bonser for Pierzynski, though I hated to see AJ go.

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Under Macphail we not only won 2 world series but he engineered the first player opt out clause with Jack Morris, gave us Major league baseballs highest paid player in the game. Though we didn't go to the world series under Ryan, he did have many prospect heists as gm he hit on so many that rival GMs did become more cautious trading us prospects. As much as I'm a fan of Ryan, I have to go with Macphail.
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Not to pick, but what World Series did we win under Calvin Griffith? We went to the series in '65, but lost to Sandy Koufax. 1969-70 we got out Orioled in the playoffs.

 

I pick Terry Ryan. MLB tried to scrap the Twins completely in 2002 and we went and won the division, then ran for about a decade of really good baseball. If we could have made a World Series appearance during his tenure, that would have clinched it.

 

Made the best deals ever getting Johan Santana and cash for Jared Camp, and Nathan, Liriano & Bonser for Pierzynski, though I hated to see AJ go.

Believe me, I am not a Calvin fan, but he did get to a WS and if we had playoffs back then, we might have gone to more than one.  

 

MacPhail gets my vote. Two WS Championships in five seasons is enough. Almost impossible to sustain winning in a mid-size market.

 

Ryan comes in second for me. An excellent run from 2002-2006. The Twins had a real chance in 2006 until the SP fell apart. Radke tore his labrum and fractured his shoulder. It's amazing he was able to continue pitching. Liriano threw only 6 innings after August 1 and didn't appear in the playoffs. Ryan gets credit for putting the pieces in place. The injury demons ruined his plans.

 

Griffith was an astute judge of talent for his time... and an all-time jerk. The Griffiths milked the team as a family bank, with several members on the payroll. He had a chance to lead the Twins to another WS in the mid to late 70s. Instead of adding a SP, he broke the team apart. I was pissed then and I am now.

 

Mike: I've really enjoyed the series. My one disappointment is you missed the utility players! 

 

MacPhail gets my vote. Two WS Championships in five seasons is enough. Almost impossible to sustain winning in a mid-size market.

 

Ryan comes in second for me. An excellent run from 2002-2006. The Twins had a real chance in 2006 until the SP fell apart. Radke tore his labrum and fractured his shoulder. It's amazing he was able to continue pitching. Liriano threw only 6 innings after August 1 and didn't appear in the playoffs. Ryan gets credit for putting the pieces in place. The injury demons ruined his plans.

 

Griffith was an astute judge of talent for his time... and an all-time jerk. The Griffiths milked the team as a family bank, with several members on the payroll. He had a chance to lead the Twins to another WS in the mid to late 70s. Instead of adding a SP, he broke the team apart. I was pissed then and I am now.

 

Mike: I've really enjoyed the series. My one disappointment is you missed the utility players! 

I have them in the final Roster posting.I hope you enjoy it. 

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