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Rotating and rotation - who starts - but not an opener

Posted by mikelink45 , 15 September 2018 · 445 views

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Rotating and rotation - who starts - but not an opener What a rotation

I have gone through all but DH in my thought process on next year and I really do not care who is DH since it seems like the Twins like to move it around. But the rotation is the real issue. Bleacher reports had this reflection on Starting Pitching - https://bleacherrepo...successful-team . Very seldom do people attend the game because there will be a great match up of closers. We still look at Verlander, Kluber, Severino, Greinke as marquee names for any game. So who starts for the Twins in 2019 and 2020?

I can easily write in Berrios. Is there anyone who compares?

Gibson has turned the corner and we are still wondering if it is real, but yes, he is number two.

Ervin Santana was a wonderful story, but the emphasis is on was! He is gone, I would almost guarantee it, but I guarantee nothing.

Jake Odorizzi had a near no-hitter recently so we forget how mediocre he has been. 6 – 10 4.41 ERA 1,32 Whip, 30 games, 155 innings – an average of 5 innings per start. Yes, he will be in the rotation next year.

Then there are the September debuts:
Kohl Stewart – six games, 24 innings, ERA+ 81, 1.78 Whip, 5.47 ERA. Prospect #28.

Aldalberto Mejia – 5 games, 2.01 ERA, 1.16 WHIP

Aaron Slegers - 3 games, 5.68 ERA which is lower than his MLB career 6.11, 1.42 WHIP

Michael Pineda who benefits from being injured all year and then injured again instead of making a Sep call up He is 40 – 41 with a 4.40 ERA, and a 1.19 WHIP. He will take one of the five spots, even if he has not earned it.

Chase De Jong – the FO acquired him so he has a front of the line position and he gave up no runs in his first appearance. His MLB record has him with an ERA of 5.57 and a WHIP of 1.51. Smoke and mirrors so far for MN.

Stephen Gonsalves who has dominated the minor league reports for the last four years has stunk in his debut – 9.39 ERA, within 1 of Belisle, and a 2.67 WHIP. Awful. Is it real? He is rated prospect #5.

If not for Gonsalves and Belisle Littell would be on the stink listing with 8.44 ERA and 2.06 Whip. Zack was prospect number 20 which was a downgrade from his previous ranking at #11.

If not them, who? Among the top 30 prospects – which include the above pitchers is Brusdar Gratol, our number 4 prospect. He is 20 and has proven himself at all the levels he has pitched at. MLB.com says he comes up in 2021.
If the above pitchers continue there stink ratings he could be 2020.

Blake Enlow is prospect number 9, he is 20, and projected for 2021. He could push 2020.

Lewis Thorpe is prospect number 10 and why he did not get a September call up is a mystery to me. He could be in the mix for next year. He was 8 – 7 with an era of 3.54 and a WHIP of 1.24 in 2018.

Jordan Balazovic is prospect number 30 and projected for 2021. We also have some pitchers that were acquired in trades this summer, but none seem MLB ready, yet.

Then there are the FA. I will not project signing them, but Patrick Corbin of the AZ Diamondbacks hits the market at age 29. His stats look really good. He would be a good signing.

Dallas Keuchel of the Astros is a dream, but one I think we should pass on. I am not as convinced as others that he has the ACE potential for the future.

Clayton Kershaw – pardon me, I cannot type while I am laughing.

With all this information and some experience with seeing how this FO works (or doesn’t) this is my guess.
2019
• Berrios
• Gibson
• Odorizzi
• Pineda
• Mejia
• DeJong

2020
• Berrios
• Gibson
• DeJong
• Thorpe
• Gratol
• Wells




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tarheeltwinsfan
Sep 15 2018 07:17 PM

Maybe we could sign free agent, Sidd Finch from England.

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theBOMisthebomb
Sep 16 2018 04:57 AM

Maybe we could sign free agent, Sidd Finch from England.

Sign Nuke LaLoosh.
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Fernando Romero needs to be added to the list

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2019:

Berrios
Gibson
Romero
Pineda
Odorizzi
Mejia (also strong BP candidate)

AAA
Gonsalves
Thorpe
Wells
Littell
???? (Slegers-Dejong)

Wouldn't shock me a bit for a quality FA or trade acquisition, though I'm not going to spit ball names at this point. Odorizzi is Ok as a 5th SP. As long as that is where he remains.

Boy would I love to see he and Mejia both in the pen with Rogers, May, Hildenberger and a healthy-normal Reed plus 1 quality addition.
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2019:

Berrios
Gibson
Romero
Pineda
Odorizzi
Mejia (also strong BP candidate)

AAA
Gonsalves
Thorpe
Wells
Littell
???? (Slegers-Dejong)

Wouldn't shock me a bit for a quality FA or trade acquisition, though I'm not going to spit ball names at this point. Odorizzi is Ok as a 5th SP. As long as that is where he remains.

Boy would I love to see he and Mejia both in the pen with Rogers, May, Hildenberger and a healthy-normal Reed plus 1 quality addition.

I like your rotation, but I am still skeptical about Pineda until he shows what he has. I like Mejia in the BP, but if Pineda fails he is in the rotation.In AAA lets hope Thorpe and Wells out perform Gonsalves and Little.What about Kohl Stewart?DFA, Traded???

I like your rotation, but I am still skeptical about Pineda until he shows what he has. I like Mejia in the BP, but if Pineda fails he is in the rotation.In AAA lets hope Thorpe and Wells out perform Gonsalves and Little.What about Kohl Stewart?DFA, Traded???


I am putting Pineda in the rotation with a healthy arm, looking solid in his milb rehab appearances, and assuming the early reports that his knee injury is, indeed, minor. He could also find himself in the BP, at least to begin the season. Again, I'm putting him in the rotation.



Mejia will get every chance to start, and he should. But I believe he's out of options so he makes the club in at least some capacity. Really, really a shame he and Pineda couldn't finish out the season in Minnesota. Would definitely make me feel better getting ready for 2019.

I admit I forgot about Stewart. I think the FO sees something in him and believe he will be protected. Put him at Rochester to begin the season along with the other names listed, (I still think Slegers has the ability to be a consistent, decent #5 SP or solid middle/long/swing man if given an extended opportunity. Not sure if that's going to happen with the Twins)

I wouldn't be too quick to give up on Gonsalves. He's tall and long with a decent FB and reportedly excellent change. His breaking balls need refinement, and I have no answer as to why his control has come and gone so much this season. But he's usually struggled somewhat with each promotion, then made adjustments and excelled. But I think Thorpe has better pure stuff and could surpass him soon in 2019. I find Wells very interesting.

At the risk of repeating myself, trade or FA, I would love to see one more really nice rotation arm added. And the continued development of Romero is KEY.

Really wish depth would allow us to convince Odorizzi to try to become the next Smoktz, Aguillera, etc, as a top SET-UP man and potential closer.
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I am putting Pineda in the rotation with a healthy arm, looking solid in his milb rehab appearances, and assuming the early reports that his knee injury is, indeed, minor. He could also find himself in the BP, at least to begin the season. Again, I'm putting him in the rotation. Mejia will get every chance to start, and he should. But I believe he's out of options so he makes the club in at least some capacity. Really, really a shame he and Pineda couldn't finish out the season in Minnesota. Would definitely make me feel better getting ready for 2019. I admit I forgot about Stewart. I think the FO sees something in him and believe he will be protected. Put him at Rochester to begin the season along with the other names listed, (I still think Slegers has the ability to be a consistent, decent #5 SP or solid middle/long/swing man if given an extended opportunity. Not sure if that's going to happen with the Twins) I wouldn't be too quick to give up on Gonsalves. He's tall and long with a decent FB and reportedly excellent change. His breaking balls need refinement, and I have no answer as to why his control has come and gone so much this season. But he's usually struggled somewhat with each promotion, then made adjustments and excelled. But I think Thorpe has better pure stuff and could surpass him soon in 2019. I find Wells very interesting. At the risk of repeating myself, trade or FA, I would love to see one more really nice rotation arm added. And the continued development of Romero is KEY. Really wish depth would allow us to convince Odorizzi to try to become the next Smoktz, Aguillera, etc, as a top SET-UP man and potential closer.

Nice response.I completely agree on Odorizzi.Other than his no-hit bid, he has been dynamite the first time through the lineup and then is questionable.Relief is perfect for him. 

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I trust we will have some gems next season between Gonsalves, Romero, Stewart, Thorpe and Littell. So, we are set. De Jong and maybe Slegers in the wings. Someone will be long relief, fer sure.

 

Talent is there.

 

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